Biden: when Obama is faced with a crisis in six months you gotta support him - Page 2

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-23-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

To me, experience doesn't count for much if you have displayed poor judgement through it. . . More importantly, perhaps, his response when faced with an actual, bona fide crisis in the shape of last month's market meltdown, he showed little leadership, floundered for answers which, when they came, were disjointed, incoherent and unconvincing.

And the same could justly be said of Obama. Really, nobody had a complete handle on the situation. Nor do the candidates have the actual responsibility yet. It would be unrealistic to the point of absurdity to look for any "make it all better" from either one in any case.

Just as I do not blame the Bush Administration for the economy's troubles, I don't give credit to the Clinton Administration for the boom times -- boom and bust happens independently of who's in power in America as far as I can see.

Why exactly is it you disapprove of being "bellicose" towards undemocracy and undemocracies again? Was it fascist sympathies? Myopia? Lack of faith in the idea of limited government? There really aren't any good reasons to be against crushing fascism, you know. Or you really should.

The above is why I don't think you're all that bright. I wish you could be, though.

DanaC · 10-22-2008, 05:21 AM

I think Powell said it best when he said Obama is the new generation. The current generation of politicos have had a chance to mould America, and it really is time to do things differently. Thoughtfully. Calmly. With more regard for the nation's most precious assets than has been shown by an administration wedded to international conflict.

[eta] Just because McCain knows what it means to send soldiers into battle, does not mean he won't still send your children to die needlessly, pursuing aims more appropriate to a previous era.

Griff · 10-22-2008, 05:45 AM

I don't know the usage in GB but using mould for mold creates a picture over here.

classicman · 10-22-2008, 09:12 AM

Dana - thankfully you are in GB and not here, ya commie! j/k - you make some very valid points and they were definitely part of my decision making process.

Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama. Personally though, I want a leader who can assess a situation and make logical, thoughtful and intuitive decisions. Someone who is well respected and has made tough decisions in the past. Someone who has had to endure both personal and political hardships and has extensive leadership experience. Unfortunately, both of these candidates only have parts of what I want philosophically and politically. They both have some things that I like and some things that I don't.

Griff - I agree - that "hothead" tag weighed into my decision as well, as did they voting present, but ot actually voting. A leader has to lead and make decisions. Right or wrong, A true leader must make a choice.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-22-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama.

Hell I'm 64, with lots of experience, and make bad decisions every day.

classicman · 10-22-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Hell I'm 64, with lots of experience, and make bad decisions every day.

And some of us still respect what you say -

Big Sarge · 10-22-2008, 09:32 AM

Here's an example of how McCain reacts under pressure:

McCain was almost killed on July 29, 1967, when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded. McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

richlevy · 10-22-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Here's an example of how McCain reacts under pressure:

McCain was almost killed on July 29, 1967, when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded. McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

A while back I was watching a show on fighter pilots. One was about the only navy ace in the Vietnam War. I watched him talk about his dogfight, along with the computer recreation and I was absolutely awestruck. The combination of skill and bravery that it took to survive and thrive in the air was significant, even if the MIG-17 was crap compared to US jets.

It turns out that that pilot won the Navy Cross, 2 Silver Stars, 15 Air Medals, and a Purple Heart.

After service, he became a media advisor. His media profile and war hero status led him to office in 1990.

15 years later, Randy Cunningham was starting an 8 year and 4 month stretch in prison.

Nothing ***ks up a hero more than power and politics.

Ibby · 10-22-2008, 09:48 AM

But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening?

lookout123 · 10-22-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening?

Hmm, not sure. Can I just vote "present"?

classicman · 10-22-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Hmm, not sure. Can I just vote "present"?

TheMercenary · 10-22-2008, 11:16 AM

Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-22-2008, 11:19 AM

Yeah, no reason to stop reading to the children.

SamIam · 10-22-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally.

Yeah, maybe the question should be is which candidate can best pick a competant group of advisors who will act for the benefit of the nation and not some partisan idelogy.

TheMercenary · 10-22-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

Yeah, maybe the question should be is which candidate can best pick a competant group of advisors who will act for the benefit of the nation and not some partisan idelogy.

That has nothing to do with my statement. And if you think for one minute that any president does not pick a group of advisors who will not act on partisan idelogy then you do not understand politics.

10-22-2008, 05:21 AM	#2
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think Powell said it best when he said Obama is the new generation. The current generation of politicos have had a chance to mould America, and it really is time to do things differently. Thoughtfully. Calmly. With more regard for the nation's most precious assets than has been shown by an administration wedded to international conflict. [eta] Just because McCain knows what it means to send soldiers into battle, does not mean he won't still send your children to die needlessly, pursuing aims more appropriate to a previous era. Last edited by DanaC; 10-22-2008 at 05:29 AM.

10-22-2008, 05:45 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I don't know the usage in GB but using mould for mold creates a picture over here. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-22-2008, 09:12 AM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Dana - thankfully you are in GB and not here, ya commie! j/k - you make some very valid points and they were definitely part of my decision making process. Bruce - McCain has 30 years compared to Obama. Personally though, I want a leader who can assess a situation and make logical, thoughtful and intuitive decisions. Someone who is well respected and has made tough decisions in the past. Someone who has had to endure both personal and political hardships and has extensive leadership experience. Unfortunately, both of these candidates only have parts of what I want philosophically and politically. They both have some things that I like and some things that I don't. Griff - I agree - that "hothead" tag weighed into my decision as well, as did they voting present, but ot actually voting. A leader has to lead and make decisions. Right or wrong, A true leader must make a choice. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-22-2008, 09:48 AM	#9
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	But does our president need to be the man best suited to dive into a fire and save people, or the man best suited to help direct others in putting it out faster and prevent more fires from happening? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-22-2008, 11:16 AM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Bottom line is that it probably matters not who is the president because the people who actually deal with these problems will deal with it as they always have. Professionally. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-22-2008, 09:32 AM	#7
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Here's an example of how McCain reacts under pressure: McCain was almost killed on July 29, 1967, when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded. McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

10-22-2008, 11:19 AM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, no reason to stop reading to the children. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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