Have you changed your vote? - Page 2

ZenGum · 10-03-2008, 07:11 AM

That's a different question I think.

Lets check we're on the same wavelength here.

First past the post means each electorate returns one member, being whoever got the most votes in that electorate.
Proportional representation means each (larger) electorate returns several members, being the several most-voted-for. Hence one could come third or so and still get a seat.

Preferential voting is where the elector marks all the boxes on the ballot paper with numbers beginning from one up to the end, and their vote is first given to the "1" candidate, but if in the first round of counting there is no candidate with more than 50% of the votes, the candidates with the fewest votes are eliminated and their votes are transferred to the "2" candidate, and the process repeats until someone gets over 50%.

Is this how you understand the terms?

It is possible to have combinations of both systems.
Down Under, we have preferential first-past-the-post for the lower house, and preferential proportional representation for the upper house (which is a little more complicated but I won't go into it).

ZenGum · 10-03-2008, 07:14 AM

Hey I need to change my vote! In THIS poll

I thought it was about, have you changed your vote in the US elections, and so I voted that I'm not allowed to vote (pretty silly in retrospect!).

Ahem.

Yes, I have changed my vote. I've swung between Labour, Greens, and Australian Democrats (now defunct centre-left social reformists).

Cicero · 10-03-2008, 11:20 AM

Yes, after actually being a member of the Dem party, working on local elections, national elections, and being part of the process; I have actually developed a terrible distaste for them. I am over it! I switched to unaffiliated.

BigV · 10-03-2008, 11:21 AM

sorry monster. I voted in your poll "no", then read your post. I answered a question you didn't ask: "have I changed my (inclination to) vote in this (general election)? Ahem... you didn't ask that question.

To answer your question... every vote I've ever cast was made with the earnest intention of voting for the candidate I thought would do the best job in the office being sought. Depending on where and when I was voting, I might be restricted in my choices of who I could select. In fact, only this year in Washington have voters been able to cross party lines in the primary ballot--a substantial improvement to the previous closed party line system.

I have in different elections voted for candidates from different parties, Reagan and Clinton, for example. And I voted for a republican Attorney General and a democratic Governor. I do split my ticket, according to what I think is best, given my possible choices.

TheMercenary · 10-03-2008, 04:23 PM

I have voted for both Republickins and Demoncrats in every election cycle, as well as independents. This is going to be the first time I vote and will not vote for a major party for president since I started voting.

dar512 · 10-08-2008, 08:30 PM

Here's the presidential elections I've voted in:

1972 - Nixon vs. McGovern
1976 - Carter vs. Ford
1980 - Reagan vs. Carter
1984 - Reagan vs. Mondale
1988 - Bush Sr. vs. Dukakis
1992 - Clinton vs. Bush Sr.
1996 - Clinton vs. Dole
2000 - Bush Jr. vs. Gore
2004 - Bush Jr. vs. Kerry

Out the the nine votes, I went Democratic twice and Republican seven times.

Just some trivia you didn't need to know. But it was kind of fun looking them all up.

BigV · 10-09-2008, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

Here's the presidential elections I've voted in:

1972 - Nixon vs. McGovern
1976 - Carter vs. Ford
1980 - Reagan vs. Carter
1984 - Reagan vs. Mondale
1988 - Bush Sr. vs. Dukakis
1992 - Clinton vs. Bush Sr.
1996 - Clinton vs. Dole
2000 - Bush Jr. vs. Gore
2004 - Bush Jr. vs. Kerry

Out the the nine votes, I went Democratic twice and Republican seven times.

Just some trivia you didn't need to know. But it was kind of fun looking them all up.

1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D)
1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R)
1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D)
1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) (can't remember! I'm pretty sure I voted)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R)vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

glatt · 10-09-2008, 10:19 AM

In every presidential election (since the first Bush) I've voted for Democrats.

At the local level, I've often voted for Democrats but have sometimes voted for independents and 3rd parties. Never for a Republican.

TheMercenary · 10-10-2008, 01:06 PM

1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D)
1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R)
1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D)
1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

dar512 · 10-10-2008, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R)
Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

glatt · 10-10-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

I bet it was 6 words. "Read my lips. No new taxes."

TheMercenary · 10-10-2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

I thought Bush Sr. did an ok job. What made you decide to vote for Clinton?

Most of my votes have been anti votes, well except for Regan. I just thought the other guy sucked more. The first time I voted for Clinton I just wanted something different, change. But that was almost 20 yrs ago. Since I was on AD at the time it was not until I voted for him the second time that I realized I had made a huge mistake because he really desimated and demoralized the military.

Undertoad · 10-10-2008, 01:44 PM

1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D)
1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) vs. Paul (L)
1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) vs. Marrou (L)
1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) vs. Browne (L)
2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D)
2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D)

Bold==my vote
First candidate==winner

classicman · 10-08-2008, 09:33 PM

This should be a thread of its own -

3 Rep, 2 Dem and 1 "other"

Juniper · 10-09-2008, 10:43 AM

If you’re 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you’re 40 and not a Conservative, you have no brain.
— Sir Winston Churchill

I'm 40.
---Juniper

View Poll Results: have you changed your vote
I'm not allowed to vote	1	3.03%
i choose not to vote	0	0%
yes I have	6	18.18%
no I haven't	26	78.79%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

10-03-2008, 07:11 AM	#1
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	That's a different question I think. Lets check we're on the same wavelength here. First past the post means each electorate returns one member, being whoever got the most votes in that electorate. Proportional representation means each (larger) electorate returns several members, being the several most-voted-for. Hence one could come third or so and still get a seat. Preferential voting is where the elector marks all the boxes on the ballot paper with numbers beginning from one up to the end, and their vote is first given to the "1" candidate, but if in the first round of counting there is no candidate with more than 50% of the votes, the candidates with the fewest votes are eliminated and their votes are transferred to the "2" candidate, and the process repeats until someone gets over 50%. Is this how you understand the terms? It is possible to have combinations of both systems. Down Under, we have preferential first-past-the-post for the lower house, and preferential proportional representation for the upper house (which is a little more complicated but I won't go into it). __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-03-2008, 07:14 AM	#2
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Hey I need to change my vote! In THIS poll I thought it was about, have you changed your vote in the US elections, and so I voted that I'm not allowed to vote (pretty silly in retrospect!). Ahem. Yes, I have changed my vote. I've swung between Labour, Greens, and Australian Democrats (now defunct centre-left social reformists). __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-03-2008, 11:20 AM	#3
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Yes, after actually being a member of the Dem party, working on local elections, national elections, and being part of the process; I have actually developed a terrible distaste for them. I am over it! I switched to unaffiliated. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

10-03-2008, 11:21 AM	#4
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	sorry monster. I voted in your poll "no", then read your post. I answered a question you didn't ask: "have I changed my (inclination to) vote in this (general election)? Ahem... you didn't ask that question. To answer your question... every vote I've ever cast was made with the earnest intention of voting for the candidate I thought would do the best job in the office being sought. Depending on where and when I was voting, I might be restricted in my choices of who I could select. In fact, only this year in Washington have voters been able to cross party lines in the primary ballot--a substantial improvement to the previous closed party line system. I have in different elections voted for candidates from different parties, Reagan and Clinton, for example. And I voted for a republican Attorney General and a democratic Governor. I do split my ticket, according to what I think is best, given my possible choices. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-03-2008, 04:23 PM	#5
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I have voted for both Republickins and Demoncrats in every election cycle, as well as independents. This is going to be the first time I vote and will not vote for a major party for president since I started voting. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-08-2008, 08:30 PM	#6
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Here's the presidential elections I've voted in: 1972 - Nixon vs. McGovern 1976 - Carter vs. Ford 1980 - Reagan vs. Carter 1984 - Reagan vs. Mondale 1988 - Bush Sr. vs. Dukakis 1992 - Clinton vs. Bush Sr. 1996 - Clinton vs. Dole 2000 - Bush Jr. vs. Gore 2004 - Bush Jr. vs. Kerry Out the the nine votes, I went Democratic twice and Republican seven times. Just some trivia you didn't need to know. But it was kind of fun looking them all up. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

10-09-2008, 10:19 AM	#8
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	In every presidential election (since the first Bush) I've voted for Democrats. At the local level, I've often voted for Democrats but have sometimes voted for independents and 3rd parties. Never for a Republican.

10-10-2008, 01:06 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	1972 - Nixon (R) vs. McGovern (D) 1976 - Carter (D) vs. Ford (R) 1980 - Reagan (R) vs. Carter (D) 1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D) 1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) 1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) 1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) 2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D) 2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D) Bold==my vote First candidate==winner __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-10-2008, 01:44 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	1984 - Reagan (R) vs. Mondale (D) 1988 - Bush Sr. (R) vs. Dukakis (D) vs. Paul (L) 1992 - Clinton (D) vs. Bush Sr. (R) vs. Marrou (L) 1996 - Clinton (D) vs. Dole (R) vs. Browne (L) 2000 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Gore (D) 2004 - Bush Jr. (R) vs. Kerry (D) Bold==my vote First candidate==winner

10-08-2008, 09:33 PM	#14
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	This should be a thread of its own - 3 Rep, 2 Dem and 1 "other" __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-09-2008, 10:43 AM	#15
Juniper I know, right? Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,539	If you’re 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you’re 40 and not a Conservative, you have no brain. — Sir Winston Churchill I'm 40. ---Juniper

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