Low-Tech answers to high-tech problems

[classicman]

You conveniently ignored the errors of your posts. It was cute, wordy and condescending again, typical of you. The whole emotional tirade joke flew right by you though didn't it T-dub? You still didn't refute one FACT that I stated, by the way. Care to try and make unequal things equal again? Or would you prefer to just admit that you are wrong and move on? I already know the answer - do you?

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

You still didn't refute one FACT that I stated, by the way.

If that were true and if classicman was being logical (adult), then classicman would have defined those errors. tw posted no errors. But tw did this 'water removal' even in 1970 radios and in 1980 computer keyboards; before membranes were used for keyboards and buttons. Why does he know the vacuum solution is slow? Which one first did this stuff – learned before posting?

All hairdryers have one temperature setting - below what would burn hair. Temperatures well below what might harm electronics. Classicman does not admit his most basic mistake - that air flow has no relationship to temperature. Massive air flow or only 3 LPM makes no difference to temperature applied to a cellphone.

How entertaining though. I have classicman's goat. No milk for him. I guess he will not be growing up in this thread.

[Flint]

Dude, you're hilarious. Don't ever change. You got his goat! ha ha ha

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

Facts. Number from Clodfobble provided reality. Hairdryer at 150 degrees does not burn hair. 150 degrees F causes no electronics damage.

OK, let's look at the facts. Sundae reported that she was burned by an inattentive hairdresser who kept the hairdryer on her forehead too long. I'd imagine it was a first degree burn, but I wasn't there. A first degree burn "affect only the outer layer of the skin. [It causes] pain, redness, and swelling."

According to Clodfobble's post, her meat thermometer read 150 degrees F after exposure to a hairdryer. Pork, beef, veal, lamb, and seafood are all considered cooked to "medium" when they measure 150 degrees. So a hairdryer is hot enough to cook flesh if held in place long enough.

Perhaps hair won't burn (I don't know what the number for that is) but your "blistered foreheads" (a second degree burn) are a very real possibility if you hold the hairdryer in place too long. Fortunately, virtually everyone will feel pain long before the blistering occurs, and they will remove the heat source.

[HungLikeJesus]

Actually, I don't believe most consumer hairdryers have any temperature settings. They are controlled based on fan and heating element current. If you block the intake port at the back of the dryer, the element will get very hot, due to lack of airflow. At some point, the dryer should shut itself down as a safety feature.

If any one has a hairdryer at home please try this and report back.

[Clodfobble]

HLJ - yes, mine does that, but you don't even have to block the airflow, just use it for too long. Mine is also super-cheap though, nowhere near salon quality.

[HungLikeJesus]

Thus the link between airflow and temperature is proven.

Q.E.D.

[Undertoad]

Here is a post by tw explaining that he uses a hairdryer to cause memory failures.

[Flint]

You sorry, insensitive bastards. My sister was killed by a hairdryer, in the WTC on 9/11. But she would have lol'ed at UT's last post.

[Shawnee123]

Hmmm, my hairdryer, no expensive thing, can be run on cool or hot. Is hot not a temperature?

What exactly are we arguing about again?

Your sister asked for it, Flint. Running around with hairdryers as if everything were OK, as if terror weren't lurking right around the corner. No one is ready for evil, it seems, until it is sitting smack dab in front of our faces. The time is now. REPENT.

[tw]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

Thus the link between airflow and temperature is proven.

Only proven is that the problem can be perverted to get any result desired. Did you forget the perspective to pervert the problem? Does not matter whether the 130 degree air out of a hairdryer is 3 LPM or 300 LPM. That cell phone is still heated only to 130 degrees.

Does blocking airflow cause a hairdryer to become so hot as to damage a cell phone? Of course not. That hairdryer still remains in the same temperature range - below what will burn hair and well below what will harm electronics.

Did you forget the context? Classicman says a hairdryer can harm a cell phone. A claim so far from reality as to be challenged with due diligence. Will a hairdryer with a hand blocking airflow (the perverted reasoning) harm a cell phone? Of course not. Temperature still remains in the same range – below what can burn hair and well below what will damage electronics.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Here is a post by tw explaining that he uses a hairdryer to cause memory failures.

What would UT posted if he understood the previous discusson? "Here is a post by tw explaining that he uses a hairdryer to *locate* memory failures."

UT you changed one word because you complete did not understand or intentionally misrepresent that post. Completely obvious in that post is that heat does not damage memory - does not *cause* damage. Working in IT, then you should know such temperatures don't cause electronics damage - it should be that obvious.

A hairdryer will not cause memory hardware failure. Heat causes operational/timing/program execution failure. A 'crash' created because hardware is already completely defective even if the computer still works fine at room temperature.

Heat from a hairdryer only causes cell phone damage when myth purveyors declare it to be so.

Why completely misrepresent what that "Anatomy of a hang" discussed in Mar 2006? Intentionally misrepresenting what was posted or just did not understand a simple diagnostic technique?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by tw

Total number of people provoked? Zero. Total number of people who provoked themselves - apparently greater than zero. For example, classicman cannot accept that he does not comprehend the science. He confused air flow with temperature. With high school physics, he would understand his mistake. Identifying simple technical science mistakes is provoking? He cannot even requote accurately? Be entertained. With age, one gets better. An adult responds logically as Clodfobble has done. He should eventually grow so as to not provoke himself. But correcting his mistakes provokes no one.

Facts. Number from Clodfobble provided reality. Hairdryer at 150 degrees does not burn hair. 150 degrees F causes no electronics damage. To harm electronics, temperatures would burn hair. Clodfobble has responded logically – with numbers -which demonstrate why a hairdryer does not harm cellphones.

--snip--

Hairdryer does not harm a cell phone. But neither a hairdryer nor vacuum can effectively pull water out of those membrane chambers. Problem in drying a cell phone is to get water out of membrane chambers. Those facts don't provoke adults.

You're wrong. You *do* provoke people. You're also wrong about your statement that people provoke themselves. That's ridiculous. If you can't see that, you're ignorant. If you can see that, you're a hypocrite. You talk about perverted reasoning, using it as a club to beat others with. By trying to evade the charge of provocateur you are doing exactly the same thing.

If you don't think there's a reasonable chance that someone with a wet cellphone could further damage the cellphone with a hairdryer, in addition to my previous statements, I say you suffer from a lack of imagination.

[Undertoad]

Here is a post by tw explaining that he uses a hairdryer to cause operational/timing/program execution failures in electronics.

hardware is already completely defective even if the computer still works fine at room temperature.

Works fine at room temperature... great because it turns out that is the temperature at which I use my phone.

[Flint]

Am I going to have to find the max temp a hairdryer can output, and then set my oven to that temp and throw an old, wet cellphone in to see what happens? . . . Because I probably won't get around to that anytime soon. . . . But somebody (Mythbusters?) should do it.