Global Warming Debate ll - Page 2

regular.joe · 01-21-2008, 10:15 AM

You know, when I think about it...everything is caused by the natural order of things. Unless we should consider ourselves unnatural.

Flint · 01-21-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

You know, when I think about it...everything is caused by the natural order of things. Unless we should consider ourselves unnatural.

One of my favorite...what's the plural of paradox?

If what we are doing to the planet is "unnatural" then what is it's source? The supernatural? I can only conclude that there is no such thing as unnatural behavior. Of course, you have to consider man a part of nature, and not God's special thing-above-all-others, for this to apply.

classicman · 01-21-2008, 12:12 PM

Well we need to invest in watercraft then, cuz we'll all be living in a "waterworld"

Aliantha · 01-21-2008, 04:09 PM

What I want to know is; if our atmostphere is supposedly 'trapping' all these CO2 emissions and that's what's causing all this warming, why doesn't it all just 'escape' out of the hole in the ozone layer?

Surely if you take these two arguments together it points to one or the other being false?

Then again, I'm not a scientist. That's just a thought I've had.

Happy Monkey · 01-21-2008, 05:45 PM

CO2 isn't trying to get out, and ozone wouldn't stop it if it were.

Aliantha · 01-21-2008, 05:48 PM

yes, but it's the CO2 build up that stops the suns rays from escaping (apparently). If there's a hole, why can't the CO2 get out there?

Let's polute space before anyone else does!

Happy Monkey · 01-21-2008, 05:57 PM

If CO2 had any inclination to escape (which, being heavy, it doesn't), it would go straight through the ozone layer, with or without the hole.

Aliantha · 01-21-2008, 06:19 PM

maybe they should just design a big cooling vent in the atmosphere then. put in a few big rotors and suck all that nasty carbon gas out.

Aliantha · 01-28-2008, 04:37 PM

I've seen that one before. It's an interesting perspective. What do you think lookout?

lookout123 · 01-28-2008, 05:03 PM

My view? I think that I don't know enough to present my views in any sort of authoritative way. My feeling is that we humans are harming the planet around us. I don't think it takes a genius to see that. Pollution and environmental damage are undeniable. The problem for me is what do we do about it?

Politicians have grabbed the issue because it is an easy subject to grab attention with. Industry is taking advantage of our limited knowledge and immense gullibility. I haven't bothered to look into it myself, but most things I've seen and heard seem to support the idea that the "green" products do in fact use less energy, but have other side effects that offset any real benefit.

So I will do what I try to do with most issues, take care of what I can see right around me. I turn the lights off when leaving the room. I try not to waste gas and electricity. I try to take care of my environment. Probably all meaningless gestures, but they feel like the right thing to do. I for damn sure will not buy carbon offsets from that douchebag Al Gore.

classicman · 01-28-2008, 09:04 PM

Wasn't there someone selling carbon credits here? I think I bought one too. hmmm - hafta look at my checkbook to see if I paid....

TheMercenary · 01-29-2008, 02:15 PM

I think we should just blame it all on Bush and his conspiratorial relationship with the Saudi government, oh that and The Illuminati.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-29-2008, 10:56 PM

That was never in doubt, but what can we do about it?

Radar · 01-29-2008, 11:38 PM

There is no global warming debate. Global warming is a fact and it is recognized among all credible climatologists. Those who deny global warming is real and that it is directly connected to the pollution created by industrialized nations are liars, idiots, or have something political or financial to gain from such lies.

classicman · 01-30-2008, 07:23 AM

It the cows I tell ya, the cows!

01-21-2008, 10:15 AM	#1
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	You know, when I think about it...everything is caused by the natural order of things. Unless we should consider ourselves unnatural. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

01-21-2008, 12:12 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Well we need to invest in watercraft then, cuz we'll all be living in a "waterworld" __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-21-2008, 04:09 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What I want to know is; if our atmostphere is supposedly 'trapping' all these CO2 emissions and that's what's causing all this warming, why doesn't it all just 'escape' out of the hole in the ozone layer? Surely if you take these two arguments together it points to one or the other being false? Then again, I'm not a scientist. That's just a thought I've had. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-21-2008, 05:45 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	CO2 isn't trying to get out, and ozone wouldn't stop it if it were. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-21-2008, 05:48 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	yes, but it's the CO2 build up that stops the suns rays from escaping (apparently). If there's a hole, why can't the CO2 get out there? Let's polute space before anyone else does! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-21-2008, 05:57 PM	#7
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If CO2 had any inclination to escape (which, being heavy, it doesn't), it would go straight through the ozone layer, with or without the hole. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-21-2008, 06:19 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	maybe they should just design a big cooling vent in the atmosphere then. put in a few big rotors and suck all that nasty carbon gas out. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-28-2008, 04:37 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I've seen that one before. It's an interesting perspective. What do you think lookout? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-28-2008, 05:03 PM	#10
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	My view? I think that I don't know enough to present my views in any sort of authoritative way. My feeling is that we humans are harming the planet around us. I don't think it takes a genius to see that. Pollution and environmental damage are undeniable. The problem for me is what do we do about it? Politicians have grabbed the issue because it is an easy subject to grab attention with. Industry is taking advantage of our limited knowledge and immense gullibility. I haven't bothered to look into it myself, but most things I've seen and heard seem to support the idea that the "green" products do in fact use less energy, but have other side effects that offset any real benefit. So I will do what I try to do with most issues, take care of what I can see right around me. I turn the lights off when leaving the room. I try not to waste gas and electricity. I try to take care of my environment. Probably all meaningless gestures, but they feel like the right thing to do. I for damn sure will not buy carbon offsets from that douchebag Al Gore. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-28-2008, 09:04 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Wasn't there someone selling carbon credits here? I think I bought one too. hmmm - hafta look at my checkbook to see if I paid.... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-29-2008, 02:15 PM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I think we should just blame it all on Bush and his conspiratorial relationship with the Saudi government, oh that and The Illuminati. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-29-2008, 10:56 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That was never in doubt, but what can we do about it? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-29-2008, 11:38 PM	#14
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	There is no global warming debate. Global warming is a fact and it is recognized among all credible climatologists. Those who deny global warming is real and that it is directly connected to the pollution created by industrialized nations are liars, idiots, or have something political or financial to gain from such lies. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-30-2008, 07:23 AM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	It the cows I tell ya, the cows! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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