Long Distance Phone Call Execution

Originally Posted by Rexmons

God Bless America

Remind me again why we haven't invaded North Korea?

Because it is not our place.

[lookout123]

quit stalking me please.

[Shawnee123]

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[ZenGum]

Shawnee that was MY joke!!!

[classicman]

thanks!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Might do a bit of research -- I've heard that quote attributed to Sun Tzu.

DPRK qua DPRK wouldn't manage any too well against the modern American military, regardless of how many million they have under arms (roughly two), because they are not a modern army but a mid-twentieth-century one, with the feeblest of economies behind it. I say we'd mulch them. We own the day, the night, the air, the sea, space -- everything but the bush over the fighting hole. It would be a matter of our firing two million rounds.

[ZenGum]

I mostly agree with this, but I'd like to add that I guess a large percentage of the DPRK's army only joined up because it was the only way they could get fed on a regular basis. When the shooting starts I would expect more white flags than last-ditch stands.
But, if there are 2 million enemy soldiers, do you really think the US forces would fire only 2 million bullets? This is a force that has firepower and uses it ... I'd raise that by a factor of ten.
But of course ... China ...

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Might do a bit of research -- I've heard that quote attributed to Sun Tzu.
--snip.

You might, but you probably won't.

[ZenGum]

Now that you've said that he probably will. It's reverse quantum.

Oh wait, now that I've said this he probably wont.

But now that I've said that he probably will.

But now that I've said that ....

Oh ohhhh.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

DPRK wouldn't manage any too well against the modern American military, regardless of how many million they have under arms (roughly two), because they are not a modern army but a mid-twentieth-century one, with the feeblest of economies behind it. I say we'd mulch them. We own the day, the night, the air, the sea, space -- everything but the bush over the fighting hole. It would be a matter of our firing two million rounds.

Deja Vue Nam. Oh. Lesson from history is BEFORE Urbane Guerrilla rewrote the Pentagon Papers. Amazing how a military so advanced as to 'bomb them into the stone age' only 'bled to death' in a jungle. Then 30+ years later make the same mistake in a desert when another crook was president.

If UG had ever learned Military Science 101, then he knows why Nam was lost, why a strategic objective is essential, and even why war is the only solution according to wacko extremists on both sides. If UG had learned anything, then he understood why Jimmy Carter's (Nobel Prize honored) deal from the mid 1990s, destroyed by wacko extremist Americans, had to be reestablished by Condi Rice only after heavy handed pressure from China. American wacko extremists could never understand constraints upon Kim Jong Il as he carefully attempts to bring his country (and wacko extremists) back into the world and without being deposed (murdered).

Of course, all this was discussed by those with simple grasp on 28 February 2007 in North Korea fires missles including a detailed analysis in Radio Times on Wednesday, 5 Jul 2006 with Mike Chinoy. Since then, Condi Rice has proven that two year old analysis was correct. Our wacko extremists did not get into a shooting war as they also so desperately wanted over a silly spy plane incident in China. Wackos always see solutions only in military operations. The purpose of war is too complex for them. UG would know this if he bothered to understand Sun Tzu's writings.

How could UG have seen reality? Required is a simple grasp of Military Science 101. But a serviceman need not learn basic military concepts if they intend to remain an enlisted man and desk jockey for 20 years. No wonder UG routinely rewrites history. Otherwise he would have to admit the fallacy in his politics.

Those with basic knowledge could easily see why Kim Jong Il was saber rattling. How he was doing it was so obvious. He was trying to reestablish the Jimmy Carter solution - to bring his nation back into the world without getting murdered in a coup d'etat. In a wacko extremists world of 'black and white', 'good and evil', and perspectives, then Kim's real objectives would be too complex for wacko extremists to comprehend.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I'm speaking loosely, but I'm supposing two million munitions of all types in an order of battle for taking the rest of the Korean peninsula. We're getting scary accurate with smart munitions, which does a lot to cut down the sheer tonnage of stuff shot at the foe and the collateral damage too.

That you mention the white flags is I think the same reason I mentioned the feeble economy. War colleges tell us that all wars are fundamentally economic -- the economy that takes less damage or can absorb more damage is in the end what determines the winner of a war, given similar degrees of motivation to give battle. North Korea could not sustain a war with us, and likely could not sustain a war with the ROK. A month's fighting would exhaust their sinews. Intelligent psych-war would sap their wills. Internet access would defeat the ideology.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Load the B-52s with laptops.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Don't forget the HumRats too! They need something to nibble on while they surf the Web.

[ZenGum]

I have this wacky theory that we ought to prop up North Korea as a kind of global museum/giant theme park. Call it StalinistLand (the unhappiest place in the universe).
The idea being to provide a lasting example of just how screwed up the extreme Stalinist state is. DPRK is the last real example of this, I think it is good to use the tensions in the Korean peninsula to illustrate to youngsters that for 40 years the whole world was torn in similar tension.
Ok, I said it was a wacky idea.

Oh, BTW, "Internet access would defeat the ideology." ... A guy just got publicly executed for making international phone calls. I don't think they haz the interweb!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Flood them with laptops, or even Blackberries, and make the whole country a wireless hotspot.