Stupid Traffic Question - Page 2

dar512 · 10-18-2007, 09:50 AM

I don't see what the confusion is. The way I read it there's a traffic light where I drew in red. If a sign on that pole says no right turn on red, then the local authorities consider it a turn and don't want you to go through on red.
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glatt · 10-18-2007, 10:04 AM

There is no sign.

Flint · 10-18-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

There is no "No Right On Red" sign.

Clodfobble · 10-18-2007, 10:35 AM

Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

SteveDallas · 10-18-2007, 10:37 AM

Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

dar512 · 10-18-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

There is no sign.

Ah. Misread that.

I'd make the normal right turn on red, then.

monster · 10-18-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

Yeah, we do too. And left from a two-way onto a one way. Yes, I got out my "What Every Driver Must Know" produced by the state of Michigan. It says nothing about having to be in the rightmost lane to make a right on red, though. I've never come across it, I suspect because almost any turn with more than one lane has no right on red signs.

Kitsune · 10-18-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas

Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

Yeah, the entire intersection is controlled.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever.

I didn't know this and, it seems, Florida has the same law! I guess I've run the red light at this intersection dozens of times. Oops.

monster · 10-18-2007, 01:35 PM

Looking at that reminds me where people here go right on red from the second lane -coming off the freeway at our nearest exit. right turn only, two lanes, both go on red. Never seen a cop bat an eyelid, but I'm always in the RHL because I have an immediate right turn to make.

BigV · 10-18-2007, 01:54 PM

psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

SteveDallas · 10-18-2007, 01:59 PM

So what does the light pattern look like? If the part going up and the part going to the left get green lights at the same time, then it's being treated as "straight".

monster · 10-18-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

I thought about that, but what if it is illegal to go right on a red, but no-one's ever drawn their attention to it before.... that intersection'll be swarming with them for months!

Kitsune · 10-18-2007, 04:56 PM

Here's what the drive south looks like as you approach the intersection. Indeed, after the normal 'red' goes away, green arrows appear, indicating a turn.

But...what the hell?

I guess that's a "80% right turn" arrow.

I'll ask the police tomorrow. I'm going to feel really bad if they set up traps the next day.

glatt · 10-18-2007, 07:11 PM

That 80% right turn arrow is the traffic engineer shrugging his shoulders and saying "damn if I know."

Cloud · 10-18-2007, 07:35 PM

I think you're right to be confused. Is there much potential for accidents if the signals are not interpreted correctly?

I think I'd write a letter to the local authorities having jurisdiction over your roadway (e.g., City Council or City Traffic Engineer) pointing out they need better signage.

It's hard to say, but I don't think you should turn right on a red in this instance. Especially since you know that there's a green arrow indicating when it's okay to turn.

And unless it's clearly and specifically marked, no, I don't think you can turn from a center lane.

ETA: Here's the Florida Driver Handbook which may provide some guidance. I've found it useful recently to review my state's driver handbook, and I think most of them are online.

Here's another stupid traffic question for you (hope you don't mind, Kitsune): I was told that when driving in a school zone (during designated school hours), you cannot pass another vehicle even in a multi-lane road. Meaning if the school zone says 35 mph, and the person in the lane next to you is going 20 mph, you can only go 20 mph too, in order to avoid passing.

I can't find anthing in the Texas Drivers' Handbook which says this--anyone know the answer?

10-18-2007, 09:50 AM	#16
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10-18-2007, 01:35 PM	#24
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Looking at that reminds me where people here go right on red from the second lane -coming off the freeway at our nearest exit. right turn only, two lanes, both go on red. Never seen a cop bat an eyelid, but I'm always in the RHL because I have an immediate right turn to make. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-18-2007, 01:54 PM	#25
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	psst. Kitsune, call the police. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-18-2007, 07:35 PM	#30
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I think you're right to be confused. Is there much potential for accidents if the signals are not interpreted correctly? I think I'd write a letter to the local authorities having jurisdiction over your roadway (e.g., City Council or City Traffic Engineer) pointing out they need better signage. It's hard to say, but I don't think you should turn right on a red in this instance. Especially since you know that there's a green arrow indicating when it's okay to turn. And unless it's clearly and specifically marked, no, I don't think you can turn from a center lane. ETA: Here's the Florida Driver Handbook which may provide some guidance. I've found it useful recently to review my state's driver handbook, and I think most of them are online. Here's another stupid traffic question for you (hope you don't mind, Kitsune): I was told that when driving in a school zone (during designated school hours), you cannot pass another vehicle even in a multi-lane road. Meaning if the school zone says 35 mph, and the person in the lane next to you is going 20 mph, you can only go 20 mph too, in order to avoid passing. I can't find anthing in the Texas Drivers' Handbook which says this--anyone know the answer? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!" Last edited by Cloud; 10-18-2007 at 07:41 PM.

10-18-2007, 10:04 AM	#17
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	There is no sign.

10-18-2007, 10:35 AM	#19
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it. But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

10-18-2007, 10:37 AM	#20
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

10-18-2007, 01:59 PM	#26
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	So what does the light pattern look like? If the part going up and the part going to the left get green lights at the same time, then it's being treated as "straight".

10-18-2007, 04:56 PM	#28
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Here's what the drive south looks like as you approach the intersection. Indeed, after the normal 'red' goes away, green arrows appear, indicating a turn. But...what the hell? I guess that's a "80% right turn" arrow. I'll ask the police tomorrow. I'm going to feel really bad if they set up traps the next day.

10-18-2007, 07:11 PM	#29
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	That 80% right turn arrow is the traffic engineer shrugging his shoulders and saying "damn if I know."

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