Stupid Traffic Question - Page 2

glatt · 10-18-2007, 10:48 AM

Now that I look at it more closely, I'm even more certain that it's a "curve" and not a "corner." There are dotted lines marking the lanes as you go around the curve. They aren't those special tiny dotted lines you sometimes see in intersections to held guide traffic making turns. These are regular dotted lines separating the lanes of the main road.

If you continue around the curve on this main road after stopping for the red light, you better hope there isn't a cop around..

monster · 10-18-2007, 10:45 AM

OK I give up. Now I think glatt's right, it's not a turn. I don't know.

Do the cops pull people over who go right on red? if not, then I'd say it's intended to be considered a turn. How's that? If you won't get into trouble, then it's OK.....

Or.... did you get into trouble and you're thinking of contesting it?

Kitsune · 10-18-2007, 10:48 AM

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Or.... did you get into trouble and you're thinking of contesting it?

Heh. I'm not in trouble, but campus police can be a pain with their traffic stops. I don't really want to cross them.

It is better to be safe, but at this long light people tend to get angry and lay on the horn if you stop. I'd say the ticket isn't worth it, though...

Flint · 10-18-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

There is no "No Right On Red" sign.

Clodfobble · 10-18-2007, 11:35 AM

Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

monster · 10-18-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it.

But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

Yeah, we do too. And left from a two-way onto a one way. Yes, I got out my "What Every Driver Must Know" produced by the state of Michigan. It says nothing about having to be in the rightmost lane to make a right on red, though. I've never come across it, I suspect because almost any turn with more than one lane has no right on red signs.

smurfalicious · 10-19-2007, 10:04 AM

I believe it to be a curve upon visual inspection, including the semi-turn green arrows. However, if the road that dead ends at this intersection, causing the need for the traffic light in the first place, also has a traffic light, then the argument can be made that although the road it intersects is a curve, it should be treated as a turn for the benefit of properly providing the right-of-way to the dead-end road traffic that will be traveling onto the fucked-curve/turn road.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it

That, as far as I know, is the general rule. Although I think I'm one of the few people who actually obey that law.

The only way to clear it up is contact your local department of transportation for the jurisdiction in which this intersection exists, and ask them to clarify by posting directive signs.

SteveDallas · 10-18-2007, 11:37 AM

Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

Kitsune · 10-18-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas

Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

Yeah, the entire intersection is controlled.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever.

I didn't know this and, it seems, Florida has the same law! I guess I've run the red light at this intersection dozens of times. Oops.

monster · 10-18-2007, 02:35 PM

Looking at that reminds me where people here go right on red from the second lane -coming off the freeway at our nearest exit. right turn only, two lanes, both go on red. Never seen a cop bat an eyelid, but I'm always in the RHL because I have an immediate right turn to make.

BigV · 10-18-2007, 02:54 PM

psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

monster · 10-18-2007, 03:21 PM

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psst.

Kitsune, call the police.

I thought about that, but what if it is illegal to go right on a red, but no-one's ever drawn their attention to it before.... that intersection'll be swarming with them for months!

SteveDallas · 10-18-2007, 02:59 PM

So what does the light pattern look like? If the part going up and the part going to the left get green lights at the same time, then it's being treated as "straight".

Kitsune · 10-18-2007, 05:56 PM

Here's what the drive south looks like as you approach the intersection. Indeed, after the normal 'red' goes away, green arrows appear, indicating a turn.

But...what the hell?

I guess that's a "80% right turn" arrow.

I'll ask the police tomorrow. I'm going to feel really bad if they set up traps the next day.

glatt · 10-18-2007, 08:11 PM

That 80% right turn arrow is the traffic engineer shrugging his shoulders and saying "damn if I know."

10-18-2007, 10:45 AM	#2
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	OK I give up. Now I think glatt's right, it's not a turn. I don't know. Do the cops pull people over who go right on red? if not, then I'd say it's intended to be considered a turn. How's that? If you won't get into trouble, then it's OK..... Or.... did you get into trouble and you're thinking of contesting it? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-18-2007, 02:35 PM	#10
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Looking at that reminds me where people here go right on red from the second lane -coming off the freeway at our nearest exit. right turn only, two lanes, both go on red. Never seen a cop bat an eyelid, but I'm always in the RHL because I have an immediate right turn to make. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-18-2007, 02:54 PM	#11
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	psst. Kitsune, call the police. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-18-2007, 10:48 AM	#1
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Now that I look at it more closely, I'm even more certain that it's a "curve" and not a "corner." There are dotted lines marking the lanes as you go around the curve. They aren't those special tiny dotted lines you sometimes see in intersections to held guide traffic making turns. These are regular dotted lines separating the lanes of the main road. If you continue around the curve on this main road after stopping for the red light, you better hope there isn't a cop around..

10-18-2007, 11:35 AM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Aside from all the other debate... in Texas at least, the middle lane definitely may not turn right on red, ever. Only the far right lane may turn right on red when the situation allows for it. But we also get to turn left on red, if it's from a one-way street to another one-way street.

10-18-2007, 11:37 AM	#8
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Is there a traffic light for the people coming into the intersection from the right side of the picture?

10-18-2007, 02:59 PM	#13
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	So what does the light pattern look like? If the part going up and the part going to the left get green lights at the same time, then it's being treated as "straight".

10-18-2007, 05:56 PM	#14
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Here's what the drive south looks like as you approach the intersection. Indeed, after the normal 'red' goes away, green arrows appear, indicating a turn. But...what the hell? I guess that's a "80% right turn" arrow. I'll ask the police tomorrow. I'm going to feel really bad if they set up traps the next day.

10-18-2007, 08:11 PM	#15
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	That 80% right turn arrow is the traffic engineer shrugging his shoulders and saying "damn if I know."

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