Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death - Page 2

Cloud · 05-12-2007, 01:04 AM

I admit to not being too familiar with veganism, but I can't imagine any Vegan objecting to breastfeeding one's own child. It's not exploitation or cruelty to any animal. The news stories do not explain exactly why she was not breastfeeding.

05-12-2007, 01:22 AM

From another site:

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I am still looking for the original sources on the following, so they are not verified... I have requested the autopsy results and have a friend looking for the original police reports to see if they can be viewed:

Apparently, there was a neighbor who tried to get them to take the child in to be seen by a physician several times from right ofter the birth up to the death. She was told that they would not take the child to the physician because hospitals have germs.

The grandmother was quoted as saying something to the effect that the child was always happy and did not cry anymore than any other child, but another neighbor, during the canvas, indicated that the child was always crying for the first few weeks.

Apparently, when the police went to the house, the only think that was in the fridge was a container of juice and a box of soy milk (not formula) which said on it that it was not to be used as a baby formula... and there is nothing to indicated that the couple were illiterate or developmentally disabled, which I think would be brought up."

During that first police visit, there was NOTHING in the cupboards at all... absolutely no food other than the apple juice and the soy milk was found in the house. One conspiracy theorist on a board I was reading thought that they probably emptied the cupboards to hide the fact that they were not vegans at all. Not sure I buy that one, but it is a bit odd... every vegan I know has food in their cupboards.

Court documents apparently include an affidavite from hospital staff indicating that they could count the individual bones though the skin and that tests were done for the typical conditions which would account for the weight loss if the parents had fed the child properly.

As I said... I have not sourced these yet...

piercehawkeye45 · 05-12-2007, 02:55 AM

Ugh, this is why we have to make sure that only people with IQs above freezing can have children.

I just hate it when people have to force their views on other people, espeically their own children. Let their kids decide whether or not to be vegans by themselves and NEVER put their lives in danger because of some moral view. If you want to be a vegan, fine, I really don't care but NEVER put someone's life at risk because you are morally against something. Life comes first, morals come second.

There also could be foul play in there too. Whatever it was, I feel bad for the other two children.

DanaC · 05-12-2007, 11:06 AM

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There also could be foul play in there too. Whatever it was, I feel bad for the other two children.

That was a different case, the one where the parents got involuntary manslaughter.

Cloud · 05-12-2007, 02:04 PM

It's important to note that the jury did not think these people were ignorant idiots who just didn't realize what they were doing.

The jury believed the couple did this on purpose, and maliciously starved their child to death, and that's a whole different kettle of tofu.

Pie · 05-12-2007, 04:40 PM

I'm with the jury. Let's see how long Mom and Dad survive on apple juice alone.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-12-2007, 08:49 PM

Wonder what their diet will be for the rest of their lives?

HungLikeJesus · 05-13-2007, 10:14 AM

Not to start a new debate, but... designed by whom?

DanaC · 05-13-2007, 10:16 AM

I think that's a question best answered by the Pastafarians.

Undertoad · 05-13-2007, 10:28 AM

I the spirit of Douglas Adams I offer Toadatarianism.

Under my philosophy, farm animals are fulfilling their highest desires by dying to be food. With their limited mental capability, all they can understand is that their entire meaning in life has been to be fatted for the knife. Their kind has been specifically raised for this purpose for so long - centuries, sometimes - that no other meaning matters. In fact, most such beings could not exist in the wild any longer, having been bred to be et. There's no such thing as a wild cow, and the wild turkey doesn't resemble its farm cousin at all.

For them not to fulfill their meaning in life is a horrible end... incomprehensible, really. Every time we eat meat we help the farm animals to fulfill their very destiny. It is an act of giving.

HungLikeJesus · 05-13-2007, 10:53 AM

The vegetarians and fruitarians are messing up the food chain, especially the fruitarians. They're going to upset the entire ecological balance of the planet.

My motto is "Eat more meat. Give animals a shot at a short, happy life." (On the billboard, I'd have sad-eyed cows, pigs and chickens.)

Every animal that you don't eat means one less animal that gets to be born, to have the opportunity to live a happy barnyard life.

Ibby · 05-13-2007, 06:39 PM

If you ask me, if a fetus ain't alive, an unfertilized egg sure as hell ain't. Fair game.

I dont eat fish; it's just as alive as a cow is. My sister, who's also vegetarian, does eat fish.

Pie · 05-13-2007, 08:09 PM

Oh, a fetus is alive; it just isn't a person. But hey, let's not get into that one again.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-13-2007, 10:59 PM

*slams rum bottle on counter*

Oh......damn.

Happy Monkey · 05-14-2007, 10:47 AM

It's not a myth. People don't have myths about why you were vegan.

If it wasn't for the animals, what was your reason?

05-12-2007, 01:04 AM	#1
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I admit to not being too familiar with veganism, but I can't imagine any Vegan objecting to breastfeeding one's own child. It's not exploitation or cruelty to any animal. The news stories do not explain exactly why she was not breastfeeding. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-12-2007, 02:04 PM	#5
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	It's important to note that the jury did not think these people were ignorant idiots who just didn't realize what they were doing. The jury believed the couple did this on purpose, and maliciously starved their child to death, and that's a whole different kettle of tofu. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-12-2007, 04:40 PM	#6
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I'm with the jury. Let's see how long Mom and Dad survive on apple juice alone. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

05-12-2007, 08:49 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Wonder what their diet will be for the rest of their lives? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-13-2007, 10:14 AM	#8
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Not to start a new debate, but... designed by whom? __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

05-12-2007, 02:55 AM	#3
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Ugh, this is why we have to make sure that only people with IQs above freezing can have children. I just hate it when people have to force their views on other people, espeically their own children. Let their kids decide whether or not to be vegans by themselves and NEVER put their lives in danger because of some moral view. If you want to be a vegan, fine, I really don't care but NEVER put someone's life at risk because you are *morally* against something. Life comes first, morals come second. There also could be foul play in there too. Whatever it was, I feel bad for the other two children.

05-13-2007, 10:16 AM	#9
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think that's a question best answered by the Pastafarians.

05-13-2007, 10:28 AM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I the spirit of Douglas Adams I offer Toadatarianism. Under my philosophy, farm animals are fulfilling their highest desires by dying to be food. With their limited mental capability, all they can understand is that their entire meaning in life has been to be fatted for the knife. Their kind has been specifically raised for this purpose for so long - centuries, sometimes - that no other meaning matters. In fact, most such beings could not exist in the wild any longer, having been bred to be et. There's no such thing as a wild cow, and the wild turkey doesn't resemble its farm cousin at all. For them not to fulfill their meaning in life is a horrible end... incomprehensible, really. Every time we eat meat we help the farm animals to fulfill their very destiny. It is an act of giving.

05-13-2007, 10:53 AM	#11
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	The vegetarians and fruitarians are messing up the food chain, especially the fruitarians. They're going to upset the entire ecological balance of the planet. My motto is "Eat more meat. Give animals a shot at a short, happy life." (On the billboard, I'd have sad-eyed cows, pigs and chickens.) Every animal that you don't eat means one less animal that gets to be born, to have the opportunity to live a happy barnyard life. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

05-13-2007, 06:39 PM	#12
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	If you ask me, if a fetus ain't alive, an unfertilized egg sure as hell ain't. Fair game. I dont eat fish; it's just as alive as a cow is. My sister, who's also vegetarian, does eat fish. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-13-2007, 08:09 PM	#13
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Oh, a fetus is alive; it just isn't a person. But hey, let's not get into that one again. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

05-13-2007, 10:59 PM	#14
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	slams rum bottle on counter Oh......damn.

05-14-2007, 10:47 AM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It's not a myth. People don't have myths about why you were vegan. If it wasn't for the animals, what was your reason? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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