BattleCry and Teenage Brainwashing - Page 2

tw · 04-27-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How would you suggest they do that without becoming what they are condemning?

And if their faith only concerns their God and themselves, why should they bother?

Good question. But then number of supporters for extremists religious leaders is growing - not diminishing. As are the number of Americans who outrightly deny Darwinism and want Genesis to be taught in school science (as The Economist noted this week). That does not sound like good Christians to me. That sounds like Chistians who endorse satanism in religion.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-27-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Good question. But then number of supporters for extremists religious leaders is growing - not diminishing. As are the number of Americans who outrightly deny Darwinism and want Genesis to be taught in school science (as The Economist noted this week). That does not sound like good Christians to me. That sounds like Chistians who endorse satanism in religion.

How do you make the leap from not believing Darwin to endorsing Satanism? Just because these people don't understand the sciences of geology, anthropology, ad infinitum doesn't make them Satanists, just wrong.

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

snip~ Or, perhaps he cares about them personally ~snip

He's clearly a snake oil salesman, a charlatan, that's using religion for personal gain. Not a novel idea but no less despicable.

Griff · 04-28-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

This is perfect... I don't even have to say it.

It is better when you don't. I for one don't take you seriously on this topic anymore.

wolf · 04-27-2007, 05:51 PM

1. I think we need that hitler smiley added to the list.

2. Rolling Stone has what I would consider an anti-religious stance, and that colors the articles that they run. This story seems to run along the same lines as the documentary Jesus Camp ... information gets cherry-picked to evoke a negative response.

I may have more to say after I read the article in it's entirety.

Beestie · 04-28-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

1. I think we need that hitler smiley added to the list.

Cool. I actually made that yesterday. I won't tell you which smiley I started with to morph into Dolph.

wolf · 04-30-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Cool. I actually made that yesterday. I won't tell you which smiley I started with to morph into Dolph.

It was the village people one, wasn't it?

Beestie · 04-30-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

It was the village people one, wasn't it?

The moustache was just too perfect. Had to lose the hat and push the hairline back a bit and boom! there he was. Never woulda believed who was hiding out under all that if I hadn't seen it for myself.

05-01-2007, 12:18 AM

This graph shows a sharp drop-off in violent crime since 1993.

This graph shows the homicide victimization rate for European and African Americans, according to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics.

These trends have continued in the last years at an even more drastic decline.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051020-5461.html

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime
Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...09-crime_x.htm
09/09/2002 - Updated 12:53 AM ET
Violent crime rate in America continues steep declineWASHINGTON — The number of people who were victims of all violent crimes except murder fell by 9% in 2001, sending the crime rate to its lowest level since it was first tracked in 1973, the government reported Sunday. The decline was due primarily to a record low number of reported assaults, the most common form of violent crime.
The drop is detailed in the 2001 National Crime Victimization Survey, which is based on interviews with victims and thus does not include murder. The Bureau of Justice Statistics report was obtained Sunday by The Associated Press in advance of its release this week.

Preliminary figures from another FBI report — gleaned from more than 17,000 city, county and state law enforcement agencies and released in June — reflected an increase in murders of 3.1% in 2001.

Experts discussing the new report on violent crime said the decrease, part of a decade-long trend, is the result primarily of the strong economy in the 1990s and the prevalence of tougher sentencing laws.

"Despite our perceptions, based on television or chats around the water-cooler, it is clear crime is on the decline in a significant way and has been for some years now," said Ralph Myers, a criminologist at Stanford University.

"When people have jobs and poor neighborhoods improve, crime goes down," Myers said. "Crime also has been impacted by the implementation of tough sentencing laws at the end of the 1980s."

Since 1993, the violent crime rate has decreased by almost 50%.

The new report says that between 2000 and 2001, the number of people who reported they were victims of violent crime fell from about 28 per 1,000 to about 25 per 1,000, a 10% drop. The number of people reporting violent crimes fell from 6,323,000 in 2000 to 5,744,000 in 2001.

Only about half of the violent crimes reported in the survey were reported to police.

The report showed a 10% decrease in the violent crime rate for whites. It also included an 11.6% decrease for blacks and a 3.9% increase for Hispanics, but the report gave neither of those figures the highest grade of confidence because of analytical formulas that suggest they could be flawed.

Assault was down 10%, but victim reports reflected a 13% increase in injuries.

The effect of tougher sentencing laws can best be seen in the drop in the rate at which people in the United States are assaulted, said Bruce Fenmore, a criminal statistician at the Institute for Crime and Punishment, a Chicago-based think tank.

"There is overwhelming evidence that people who commit assaults do it as a general course of their affairs," Fenmore said. "Putting those people behind bars drops the rate."

The rate at which criminals used guns to accomplish their crimes held steady, about 26%.

Victims of rape and assault were the least likely (7%) to face an armed offender, while robbery victims were the most likely (55%).

Rape fell 8%, and sexual assaults — which include verbal threats and fondling — fell 20%. About half the women who reported rapes said the perpetrator was a friend or acquaintance. The rate at which women reported rape to the police fell 19% in 2001.

The overall property crime rate fell 6% between 2000 and 2001 because of a 6.3% decrease in theft and a 9.7% decrease in household burglaries.

The car theft rate was up 7%, reflecting a jump from 937,000 car thefts in 2000 to 1,009,000 in 2001.

Teenagers seemed less likely to be victims of violent crime. The crime rate against those between ages 16 and 19 fell 13.2%.

Crime also fell in each of the regions of the United States but showed the most dramatic decline, 19.7%, in the Midwest.

The decline also was felt in urban, suburban and rural areas. The rate of violence experienced by suburbanites fell 14%. In urban and rural areas, the rate fell 5.4% and 10.6%, respectively.

The preliminary summary of the report did not include a state-by-state breakdown.

Crime trends related to personal income also shifted.

Americans making less than $7,500 a year experienced a drop in the violent crime rate of about 23%. Those making $75,000 or more saw a 17% decrease. Most in between saw little change.

04-27-2007, 06:24 PM

He is trying his hardest to keep kids from being intelligent, rational thinkers because that is what threatens him and his peers.
They are the future and he wants them to be as far from who he thinks of as a threat. He is using any tactic he can to make that happen.
Just that, nothing else.

Or, perhaps he cares about them personally... there is your other option, LOL!

Ibby · 04-27-2007, 09:16 PM

What scares me the most are the descriptions of his "interns" at his "school", later on in the article.

They're brainwashed, mindless drones worked up into a religious frenzy for blood - the blood of everyone who isn't one of them, including other less-crazy Christians.

TheMercenary · 04-27-2007, 10:28 PM

Radical Christians are no different than radical Muslims.

Clodfobble · 04-27-2007, 10:30 PM

Except for that part where radical Christians are not killing anyone in large numbers.

TheMercenary · 04-27-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Except for that part where radical Christians are not killing anyone in large numbers.

Well not recently anyway...

04-29-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Except for that part where radical Christians are not killing anyone in large numbers.

"The Lord told me to invade Iraq"

Ibby · 04-27-2007, 10:38 PM

They would if they could get away with it.

Thats why I fear BattleCry. I fear Ron Luce. I fear his private child army.

04-27-2007, 05:51 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	1. I think we need that hitler smiley added to the list. 2. Rolling Stone has what I would consider an anti-religious stance, and that colors the articles that they run. This story seems to run along the same lines as the documentary Jesus Camp ... information gets cherry-picked to evoke a negative response. I may have more to say after I read the article in it's entirety. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-27-2007, 09:16 PM	#10
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	What scares me the most are the descriptions of his "interns" at his "school", later on in the article. They're brainwashed, mindless drones worked up into a religious frenzy for blood - the blood of everyone who isn't one of them, including other less-crazy Christians. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

04-27-2007, 10:28 PM	#11
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Radical Christians are no different than radical Muslims. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

04-27-2007, 10:38 PM	#15
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	They would if they could get away with it. Thats why I fear BattleCry. I fear Ron Luce. I fear his private child army. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-01-2007, 12:18 AM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	This graph shows a sharp drop-off in violent crime since 1993. This graph shows the homicide victimization rate for European and African Americans, according to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics. These trends have continued in the last years at an even more drastic decline. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051020-5461.html Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...09-crime_x.htm 09/09/2002 - Updated 12:53 AM ET Violent crime rate in America continues steep declineWASHINGTON — The number of people who were victims of all violent crimes except murder fell by 9% in 2001, sending the crime rate to its lowest level since it was first tracked in 1973, the government reported Sunday. The decline was due primarily to a record low number of reported assaults, the most common form of violent crime. The drop is detailed in the 2001 National Crime Victimization Survey, which is based on interviews with victims and thus does not include murder. The Bureau of Justice Statistics report was obtained Sunday by The Associated Press in advance of its release this week. Preliminary figures from another FBI report — gleaned from more than 17,000 city, county and state law enforcement agencies and released in June — reflected an increase in murders of 3.1% in 2001. Experts discussing the new report on violent crime said the decrease, part of a decade-long trend, is the result primarily of the strong economy in the 1990s and the prevalence of tougher sentencing laws. "Despite our perceptions, based on television or chats around the water-cooler, it is clear crime is on the decline in a significant way and has been for some years now," said Ralph Myers, a criminologist at Stanford University. "When people have jobs and poor neighborhoods improve, crime goes down," Myers said. "Crime also has been impacted by the implementation of tough sentencing laws at the end of the 1980s." Since 1993, the violent crime rate has decreased by almost 50%. The new report says that between 2000 and 2001, the number of people who reported they were victims of violent crime fell from about 28 per 1,000 to about 25 per 1,000, a 10% drop. The number of people reporting violent crimes fell from 6,323,000 in 2000 to 5,744,000 in 2001. Only about half of the violent crimes reported in the survey were reported to police. The report showed a 10% decrease in the violent crime rate for whites. It also included an 11.6% decrease for blacks and a 3.9% increase for Hispanics, but the report gave neither of those figures the highest grade of confidence because of analytical formulas that suggest they could be flawed. Assault was down 10%, but victim reports reflected a 13% increase in injuries. The effect of tougher sentencing laws can best be seen in the drop in the rate at which people in the United States are assaulted, said Bruce Fenmore, a criminal statistician at the Institute for Crime and Punishment, a Chicago-based think tank. "There is overwhelming evidence that people who commit assaults do it as a general course of their affairs," Fenmore said. "Putting those people behind bars drops the rate." The rate at which criminals used guns to accomplish their crimes held steady, about 26%. Victims of rape and assault were the least likely (7%) to face an armed offender, while robbery victims were the most likely (55%). Rape fell 8%, and sexual assaults — which include verbal threats and fondling — fell 20%. About half the women who reported rapes said the perpetrator was a friend or acquaintance. The rate at which women reported rape to the police fell 19% in 2001. The overall property crime rate fell 6% between 2000 and 2001 because of a 6.3% decrease in theft and a 9.7% decrease in household burglaries. The car theft rate was up 7%, reflecting a jump from 937,000 car thefts in 2000 to 1,009,000 in 2001. Teenagers seemed less likely to be victims of violent crime. The crime rate against those between ages 16 and 19 fell 13.2%. Crime also fell in each of the regions of the United States but showed the most dramatic decline, 19.7%, in the Midwest. The decline also was felt in urban, suburban and rural areas. The rate of violence experienced by suburbanites fell 14%. In urban and rural areas, the rate fell 5.4% and 10.6%, respectively. The preliminary summary of the report did not include a state-by-state breakdown. Crime trends related to personal income also shifted. Americans making less than $7,500 a year experienced a drop in the violent crime rate of about 23%. Those making $75,000 or more saw a 17% decrease. Most in between saw little change.

04-27-2007, 06:24 PM	#9
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	He is trying his hardest to keep kids from being intelligent, rational thinkers because that is what threatens him and his peers. They are the future and he wants them to be as far from who he thinks of as a threat. He is using any tactic he can to make that happen. Just that, nothing else. Or, perhaps he cares about them personally... there is your other option, LOL!

04-27-2007, 10:30 PM	#12
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Except for that part where radical Christians are not killing anyone in large numbers.

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