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Old 04-08-2007, 06:08 PM   #16
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Well, he seems like a well-balanced and reasonable source.

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In post-Christian, and in many cases anti-Christian Europe, (don't look for reprints of the Bible or an accurate newspaper story about the Resurrection of Jesus at Easter), nations that have allowed the immigration of large numbers of Muslims have failed to deal with the radicals among them.
I particularly liked that bit.....does he really think we don't sell bibles in Europe....I take it this man never visited Lourdes...and just why would a newspaper have stories of the resurrection of Jesus, accurate or otherwise? What is he expecting to find, the Calvary fucking Gazette? Gethsemane Times? Newspapers cover news stories, they're not there to retell 2 millennia old religious tales.
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:12 PM   #17
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Calvary fucking Gazette? Gethsemane Times?

Good one D, I lol'd.
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:43 PM   #18
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Dana has a permanent blind spot.
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:48 PM   #19
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What? *laughs* wtf you talkin bout?
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Old 04-08-2007, 09:24 PM   #20
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I would say the same about the LA Times or any of the tripe they report.
No popular American newspaper is liberal enough to compare.
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Old 04-09-2007, 01:08 AM   #21
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Some people call it PC I call it lying to the children that are supposed to become the future. It's building your castle on sand.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:56 AM   #22
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Funnily enough, the BBC News: Education site doesn't cover it. I think this is something and nothing.

From the DfEs website, guidance on keystages for history:


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History at key stage 3 (Year 7)
Unit 6: What were the achievements of the Islamic states 600-1600?
Section 6: How successful were the crusader attacks on the Islamic world?




Objectives
Children should learn:
about the clash of culture and religion that took place during the Crusades
that the crusaders failed in the long term to displace Islamic civilisation

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Activities Outcomes
Children:
Introduce the idea of conflict between different faiths by looking at modern news stories that show that there are arguments today about who should control Jerusalem. Discuss the importance of the city to followers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Provide an overview of the Crusades 1095-1291. Ask pupils to create a crusade timeline and to decide for each major event whether it was a victory for the crusaders or for the forces of Islam; events should include:
the capture of Jerusalem 1099
the Battle of Hattin 1187
the Fourth Crusade 1198
the fall of Acre 1291
construct an analytical timeline that correctly categorises different key events in the story of the Crusades


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Points to note
An 'analytical timeline' is one that entails not only placing events in the correct chronological order, but also some thinking about and categorising of those events. The timeline will require two columns: one for crusader victories, another for Islamic victories. A timeline computer program might be used.
Links could be made with unit 2 'Medieval monarchs' and specifically with King John and Britain at the time of the Crusades.
Links could be made with unit 4 'Medieval church' and specifically with the section relating to Christian beliefs about Christendom.

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Sections in this unit << previous section next section >>

This unit is divided into sections. Each section contains a sequence of activities with related objectives and outcomes. You can view this unit by moving through the sections or print/download the whole unit.

1. What is Islam?
2. How did the world of the Middle East change during the life of the Prophet Muhammad
3. A new Islamic city: how did the Abbasid caliphs organise their new capital at Baghdad?
4. How did Arab Muslims contribute to the world of mathematics and science during the Middle Ages?
5. What can we learn from the architecture of Islamic civilisations?
6. How successful were the crusader attacks on the Islamic world?
7. Why do people disagree about Salah al-Din?
8. How powerful were the rulers of the Ottoman empire?
9. What were the achievements of the Islamic states 600-1600?

This is what most ( I am not sure, but I think tackling this unit might actually be compulsory in order to reach keystage 3) children are learning in order to gain their keystage 3 in History
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:54 PM   #23
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If anyone is interested in an Italian point of view, google Oriana Fallaci. She was (she died of Ca in sept. 06) an outspoken voice re: the European surrender to radical Islam.

Oh, and Dana? If that is what your country's children are learning in order to get to the next history level--great good fucking luck. Get thee to a nunnery? More likely, "get thee in a burqa"

Tho I do hope it isn't none too hot.
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:09 PM   #24
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Fallaci:

During her journalistic career she became known for challenging interviews with such world leaders as former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Her work _ both interviews and books _ was translated across the world.

"Fallaci's manner of interviewing was deliberately unsettling: she approached each encounter with studied aggressiveness, made frequent nods to European existentialism (she often disarmed her subjects with bald questions about death, God, and pity), and displayed a sinuous, crafty intelligence," The New Yorker wrote in a profile this year entitled "The Agitator."

Fallaci's recent publications _ including the best-selling book "The Rage and The Pride," which came out weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks _ drew accusations of racism and inciting hatred against Muslims.

"The Rage and The Pride," sold more than 1 million copies in Italy and found a large audience elsewhere in Europe. But Fallaci was also accused of racism.

In the book, she wrote that Muslims "multiply like rats" and said "the children of Allah spend their time with their bottoms in the air, praying five times a day."

A group in France unsuccessfully sought to stop distribution of the book, while two other associations have requested that it carry a warning notice.

Her next essay, "The Strength of Reason," accused Europe of having sold its soul to what Fallaci described as an Islamic invasion. It also took the Catholic Church to task for being what she considers too weak before the Muslim world.

Describing Europe as "Eurabia," Fallaci said the continent "has sold itself and sells itself to the enemy like a prostitute."

"Europe becomes more and more a province of Islam, a colony of Islam," she wrote.

The current invasion, Fallaci went on to say, is not carried out only by the "terrorists who blow up themselves along with skyscrapers or buses" but also by "the immigrants who settle in our home, and who, with no respect for our laws, impose their ideas, their customs, their God."

She was not married and had no children. Information on funeral arrangements was not immediately available.



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Old 04-09-2007, 03:24 PM   #25
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Do you just spend you whole time trawling for nasty, anti-moslem tracts?

Since we're quoting the bard, I think a more appropriate one for you would be "Come to my woman's breasts,
And take my milk for gall", except someone's already done that. You're spilling over with venom chickyboo.
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:44 PM   #26
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I think this is something and nothing.
I agree.
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:46 PM   #27
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Ah, the hand that points the finger has three more fingersd pointing back at it. check out your last 4-5 posts. Everyone sees your special hatred, your supposed moral superiority. What a joke. You, dana, think the masses NEED YOU to stop discrimination; that they are too dumb to do it themselves, right? I purpose that NO MINORITY needs Dana; that they can and WILL find their power and voice despite a white girls meddling.


PS--i;m a student with free time (every once and a while) and you are, we are supposed to believe, employed? by the gov't? Do you fritter away gov't money responding to the cellar? One wonders.
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:53 PM   #28
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Fallaci:

During her journalistic career she became known for challenging interviews with such world leaders as former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Her work _ both interviews and books _ was translated across the world.

"Fallaci's manner of interviewing was deliberately unsettling: she approached each encounter with studied aggressiveness, made frequent nods to European existentialism (she often disarmed her subjects with bald questions about death, God, and pity), and displayed a sinuous, crafty intelligence," The New Yorker wrote in a profile this year entitled "The Agitator."

...snip...
She sounds interesting. I'll have to see what's around to be read.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:09 PM   #29
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PS--i;m a student with free time (every once and a while) and you are, we are supposed to believe, employed? by the gov't? Do you fritter away gov't money responding to the cellar? One wonders.
I am a full-time university student, who works as a local Councillor in my spare time. It's a voluntary position, I was elected to do it. It's unwaged, it does however pay an allowance to cover expenses incurred.

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Ah, the hand that points the finger has three more fingersd pointing back at it. check out your last 4-5 posts. Everyone sees your special hatred, your supposed moral superiority. What a joke. You, dana, think the masses NEED YOU to stop discrimination; that they are too dumb to do it themselves, right? I purpose that NO MINORITY needs Dana; that they can and WILL find their power and voice despite a white girls meddling.
I think you expend way too much energy on your hatred of me Bri. Go chill out it'll do you good.
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:15 PM   #30
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I think you expend way too much energy on your hatred of me Bri. Go chill out it'll do you good.
Darling, I don't. It is YOU who are obsessed with me. For that I only pity you.


Dana--look deep inside yourself and come to your own conclusion. I only wish Peace for you. Good Luck.
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