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02-03-2007, 08:41 PM
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a real smartass
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We're not necessarily losing. After all, it would be very difficult for them to force us to stop fighting. We could keep troops in Iraq pretty much as long as we want.
However, we are getting farther and farther away from winning. |
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02-03-2007, 09:09 PM
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erika
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I really do hate America.
Well, no. I wouldnt go that far. UG claims to be pro-human... but he is, first and foremost, pro-US. Only AFTER that is he pro-human, and when US interests and human interests are in conflict, he sides blindly with the US, being the unthinking sheep he is. I'm pro-human above all else. Period.
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02-03-2007, 11:33 PM
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The future is unwritten
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That's because you haven't had to interact with enough of them yet.
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02-03-2007, 11:36 PM
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Having seen what else is out there, here's what I have to say: my entire life shows me America's cause is humanity's cause. You'll come to this view too, Ibram. It might take you 'til you're forty, but it's that way with many. I just had something of a head start, it appears.
Deadbeater, I think your view of the domino theory is incomplete. Here's how I understand it: North Vietnam -- first domino. Laos -- domino. Cambodia -- domino. South Vietnam -- domino. Thailand managed to be robust enough to resist becoming a domino, because Thailand's government and people stayed in sympathy. But a domino theory is not invalidated because four dominoes fell and not five. All that means is that the disaster wasn't quite as extensive as we might have feared. I do not entirely understand what motivated South Vietnam to take Pol Pot's boys down -- too crazy for the descendants of the Viet Minh, perhaps? Whether this actually constitutes pushing a domino back up is something that should probably be explored further. It's an interesting notion.
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02-10-2007, 02:11 PM
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you think the earth is 12,000 yrs old too? 
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02-10-2007, 02:16 PM
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The future is unwritten
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What? You don't believe he locked into his perception of the world when he was 10 and hasn't changed his position since?
I find his claim totally believable, considering he has the world view of a 10 year old. 
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02-04-2007, 09:02 AM
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Isn't it remarkable that you would favor the country that you come from? Against all odds, one favors the familiar. Mind-boggling.
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02-04-2007, 12:26 PM
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Jim Webb Interview with Chris Wallace today
I caught most of the interview of Jim Webb by Chris Wallace this morning (transcript here). I will say it was one of the most brutal interrogations of a politician I have seen in recent years. Considering how many politicians these days, especially high ranking ones like Bush and Clinton, force preconditions on questions, this seemed to be a no holds barred interview.
Wallace asked some tough questions. I think he was acting as a proxy for our own UG. Webb firmly answered back some tough questions, even insisting on addressing what he felt were insinuations built into the questions. There were a lot of good moments in the interview. Here are a few. Quote:
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02-04-2007, 04:06 PM
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still eats dirt
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The War-Losing Faction has even managed to penetrate the military.
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02-04-2007, 05:19 PM
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This is not the first time this has happened, not in this or any war.
I do not believe that they were part of any movement. Most, IMO, would agree that being a conscientious objector should simply be "I will not kill, I will accept a support role" while honoring your military contract if you disagree with the killing of a specific people. Your view is very simplistic. There is no "faction", just those who do not agree with the US breaking international law, invading & occupying a non-threating nation, then stealing their natural resources via a puppet government with a law we wrote, ourselves. |
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02-05-2007, 02:03 AM
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Person who doesn't update the user title
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Well, Jebbie, bend over and for your really-hates, I'll inject you your due reward.:p
All we really needed to do was to keep South Vietnam in supplies. Congress was Democratic-controlled at the time, and Nixon, who with benefit of national experience, hindsight and strategic reappraisal in prosecuting the Vietnam War, was employing a more successful strategy, Abrams' style rather than Westmoreland's, disgraced himself all the way out of office with the Watergate scandal. With the President too politically vitiated and distracted to get Congress to measure up to the demands of common decency to an ally, Congress' funds cutoff doomed South Vietnam as an independent political entity -- and more than a few South Vietnamese as living entities, let alone independent ones. Would a Republican-controlled Congress have been that feckless? This is a grievance. It's also a shame. National level Republicans do behave in a genuinely anti-communist manner. Their Democratic counterparts -- "have done everything differently."* And they've failed a lot and lost a lot thereby. When it came to coping with the major threat to the United States and the rest of the world of the twentieth century, the Democrats ran the gamut between singularly imperceptive incompetence and general failure, and they spent a solid fifty years staying hosed up. They're still in this habit, and they're still just as incapable. I'm fed up. South Vietnam's political fault lines seem really to be nothing more or less than the legacy of French colonialism and post-colonialism: in particular a policy -- seen also in Lebanon, to outcomes not very different -- of parceling out portions of a former colony's political power specifically to this or that faction/religion/definable group. The ruling South Vietnamese elite lacked close ties to the rest of the South Vietnamese population, particularly out in the sticks where the North's forces had freest hand. A political structure made from such rotten timber isn't going to handle pressure from outside at all, let alone anything approaching well. One good shove and crrraaackkkk, crunch! Really, we went into Vietnam out of a humanitarian impulse. That we didn't succeed meant blood and sorrow, and no redress. That Vietnam has since enjoyed a measure of anti-Communist success, to the point where Communism is now maintained mainly as a sort of state religion to which one must outwardly subscribe at least if one wants to be an official, largely heals the ulceration. *The words of Sen. John Kerry, a famous Democrat I can't be stupid enough to vote for.
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02-05-2007, 08:01 PM
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02-05-2007, 02:06 AM
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trying hard to be a better person
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It's such a shame you're not in charge of anything UG. I'm sure you would have made sure the US came out of Vietnam victorious! Just like if they let you run things in Iraq everyone would be saying how wonderful it is when another country invades your home and starts shooting at your friends and family.
Yeah, it's a shame you're not president UG. I'd feel a whole lot safer going to sleep at night if you were. 
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