Have fun with doom & gloom

[Happy Monkey]

Dutch engineers are gonna be a hot commodity.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Not to mention the oil to fuel the trucks to haul it.

"It's the economy, stupid."

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Haul in truckloads of sand.

Originally Posted by monster

See, the Iraq thing is not just about oil.....

ah! now it all makes sense.

[be-bop]

There was some scientist from Norway on the tv the other day I only caught the last part of what he was saying but he was stating that the rising of the sea waters and flooding projections are wildly over the top.
He gave an example order a drink at any bar add ice and sit and watch the ice melt and see if the glass overflows with the extra liquid.
It won't because the ice and melted water are the same weight,same displacement.

[Happy Monkey]

Then he's never heard of Greenland and Antarctica. If he thinks that his little Mr. Wizard science knowledge wasn't taken into account, he's deluded. My guess is that he knew he was BSing, but hoped his listeners wouldn't.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by be-bop

There was some scientist from Norway on the tv the other day I only caught the last part of what he was saying but he was stating that the rising of the sea waters and flooding projections are wildly over the top.
He gave an example order a drink at any bar add ice and sit and watch the ice melt and see if the glass overflows with the extra liquid.
It won't because the ice and melted water are the same weight,same displacement.

For those too drunk or too stupid to see the fallacy of this argument, please proceed with the experiment, but to make it match the real world scenario, fill the glass and mark the level of the liquid. Then put the ice in. **make sure you put in enough ice so that the ice touches the bottom of the glass and extends above the surface of the liquid.* Now, as it melts, watch the level. Get back to me on the result, eh?

The ice in Greenland and Antartica is considerable. The reason it will contribute to the rising of the sea levels is because it's not *in* the sea now. It's on land.

[xoxoxoBruce]

United Nations worst case scenario is sea level up 1 meter by 2100, according to Space dot com.

[busterb]

Don't think I'll be around for that.



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BTW, we live on the central FL ridge, the highest point within 50mi of the coast on the Eastern shore of the US... no lie. The rest of the US slopes more gradually than it does here.
Gonna' cost ya' a blow job ta' sleep in my back yard.

[Hippikos]

The ice in Greenland and Antartica is considerable. The reason it will contribute to the rising of the sea levels is because it's not *in* the sea now. It's on land.

Somehow they seem to forget that Antarctica overall has cooled measurably during the last 35 years by 0.7 degrees per decade.

The Climate Shock and Awe campaign has started. Sevel level rise is another doom scenario from the alarmists like Al Bore. Over 1,000s of years the rate of sea-level rise has been linear over this time period and shows no indication of the pronounced mid-20th-century increase.

If one took the time to read the IPCC 2001 report, one would have read: “No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.” Although since the publication of the IPCC 2001 report, a few studies have been published which report to have found evidence of sea level rise acceleration. However, the jury is still way out on this issue. It's impossible that Word Climate has changed dramatically since 2001.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

BTW, we live on the central FL ridge, the highest point within 50mi of the coast on the Eastern shore of the US... no lie. The rest of the US slopes more gradually than it does here.
Gonna' cost ya' a blow job ta' sleep in my back yard.

Originally Posted by The Geography of Florida web page

The highest point in Florida is Britton Hill, Lakewood Park in Walton County and is only 345 feet above sea level. Walton County is located in the Florida Panhandle.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Cadillac Mountain is the highest coastal point on the East Coast of the United States, at 1,532 feet. It is located near Bar Harbor, Maine, within Acadia National Park.

[Cyclefrance]

Hmm...

What about all the erosion of land mass by rivers over the eons of time that has resulted in millions of tons of minerals being deposited in estuaries which has then been taken out to sea by the action of tides and waves?

Wouldn't this have added to the amount of solid matter in the area of sea water, thereby, basis relying upon good old Archimedes and his discovery of relative density, causing that water to rise up higher against the remaining land mass (body in bath principle)?

Has this happened?

If 9/10ths of an iceberg remains below water anyway and water expands when frozen why haven't these monster objects let alone the ice land-mass had the same Archimedes effect?

Maybe the waters will actually fall - maybe we should all go down to the beach with a bucket and spade and cart a bucketfull of sand back inland each day to try to reverse the effect - maybe it's not such a bad idea to buy a beachside property after all....

[skysidhe]

I couldn't find any recent photos of the earth's polor ice caps. I did find a photo of melting ice caps. Scientists know the earths ice caps are melting at 9 % per decade.


This photo is 7 years old.

I did find this site to be informative.
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/crosscutting/climate.html

In May 2005, scientists concluded the Earth is absorbing more of the sun's energy than is being emitted back into space, disrupting the planet's energy balance and resulting in global warming.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Cyclefrance

Hmm...

What about all the erosion of land mass by rivers over the eons of time that has resulted in millions of tons of minerals being deposited in estuaries which has then been taken out to sea by the action of tides and waves?

Wouldn't this have added to the amount of solid matter in the area of sea water, thereby, basis relying upon good old Archimedes and his discovery of relative density, causing that water to rise up higher against the remaining land mass (body in bath principle)?

Has this happened?

If 9/10ths of an iceberg remains below water anyway and water expands when frozen why haven't these monster objects let alone the ice land-mass had the same Archimedes effect?

Maybe the waters will actually fall - maybe we should all go down to the beach with a bucket and spade and cart a bucketfull of sand back inland each day to try to reverse the effect - maybe it's not such a bad idea to buy a beachside property after all....

Hmm. Archimedes demonstrated *displacement* not relative density.

wrt icebergs, it's irrelevant what the percentage is above and below the waterline, if they're floating. If they're floating, the waterlevel is unchanged whether the ice melts or not (not including the expansion of the seawater as it's heated). But for ice that is not floating, like the vast amounts of ice in Antartica that are thousands of feet thick and rest on the land. When that ice enters the water, the level of the water will rise. Just ask Archimedes.

[Cyclefrance]

Hmm again - I thought relative density was about displacement anyway - the volume of water an object displaced in relationship to its weight or the other way around, or something - mind you it was a long time ago and I never followed the science path when the time came to take the split (1962 I think!)

So what's the difference between millions of tons of sediment and minerals eroded into the sea on the one hand, and ice on land that ends up in the same place on the other - with 2/3rds of the planet being water and god knows how deep overall will the addition of the ice caps volume really impact as much as is thought?

Global warming, and the increase in evaporation leading to a more turbulent water cycle and consequent weather system changes is something I can relate to, but I just wonder why we haven't seen water levels rise dramatically already through natural erosion processes - if you put more land into the sea then by rights the sea has only one place to go, upwards, but that isn't so evident.

And if the ice caps do make a difference, then how much would it take to remove x million tons of tidal covered coastline to higher ground to accommodate the equivalent of the ice caps mass - maybe a few billion buckets (one per person of the world's population) would do it.

Probably screwed up logic, but it's Friday and been a long week

[BigV]

o/t displacement v relative density:

take a bucket of water. blow up a balloon. dunk the balloon in the bucket. water is displaced.

take another bucket of water. take a deep breath. dunk your head in the bucket. water is displaced.

therefore, class? you have a head full of air? johnny, sit silently in the corner, that was rude and uncalled for. the water is displaced because of the volume of the object immersed in the water, irrespective of the density of the object.

density is mass per volume. it only appears to apply here because of the extremely rare property of water, that it expands when cooled. not that cool water is rarer (though it's becoming rarer), but that very few other materials behave likewise. people see ice (water) "floating" in water and they're observing the relative difference in density of the same material (water).