Edwards! - Page 2

Happy Monkey · 11-15-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by melidasaur

I'm sorry, but John Edwards is a fraud. He has a hokey southern accent and all folksy and stuff around his contituents in NC, but get him on the Daily Show and he's a completely different person.

Huh? That's exactly how he was on the Daily Show last night.

melidasaur · 11-15-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Huh? That's exactly how he was on the Daily Show last night.

If you see him in a public appearance in NC, he's even more folksy and such. You have to be on his "turf" to see him at his best.

Happy Monkey · 11-15-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by melidasaur

If you see him in a public appearance in NC, he's even more folksy and such. You have to be on his "turf" to see him at his best.

I guess I wouldn't put "like that, but more so" in the camp of "completely different person."

DanaC · 11-15-2006, 02:06 PM

Hallo brady!

yesman065 · 11-15-2006, 02:33 PM

Thanks melidasaur, glad to know I have company. I love being an independent.

Hey whats Perot doin?

(Flint - pic please)

Flint · 11-15-2006, 02:35 PM

Of me?

yesman065 · 11-15-2006, 02:57 PM

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Pie · 11-15-2006, 03:31 PM

Politicians < Personal Injury Lawyer.
Therefore, Edwards would be a step up.

What's wrong with behaving differently in front of different audiences? I don't speak to my friends the same way I speak to my parents, or my boss, or y'all.
As long as the content of the message is the same, who cares about vernacular?

Cardinal rule of public speaking: Know Thy Audience.

Flint · 11-15-2006, 03:52 PM

But seriously, if you don't want to get sued by a personal injury attorney: don't injure anybody. Either through your negligent business practices or otherwise. Here in Texas we have Tort Reform, yay! Now big business has virtually no incentive to care about whether we are injured or killed by their attempts to maximize profits.

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Originally Posted by wolf

Remember the recall math from Fight Club? It's not just about cars.

Right. It's about business practices. And, it's about whether "the little guy" has any protection, IE lawyers. They make it hurt, in the pocketbook, when you do wrong. And that's the language that gets things done. Take that away and we're fucked.

This should make you wonder where the anti-lawyer rhetoric really comes from.

DanaC · 11-16-2006, 10:20 AM

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I talk to everyone in the same manner, so I guess it does bother me. I don't change things up for different audiences. The message, mode and delivery is always the same.

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Being a lawyer myself, I don't like those who practice in the field of personal injury. I feel that they:
1) Exploit people's stupidity - always making a mountain out of a mole hill - of course coffee is hot!
2) Clog the court system with ridiculous law suits
3) Really stress the need for tort reform.

So those are my thoughts.

Now if he ran today, he'd probably win, but not with my vote.

a) Changing style of language and delivery depending on audience is called code-switching and is engaged in by most people at some time; one of the noticeable aspects of interraction amongst illiterate or under educated people is an inability to effectively codeswitch: this leads people to speak in their usual slang/dialect even when it's inappropriate, ie a defendant in court who makes a poor showing of themself because they cannot adopt a more formal language style in an environment where they may be discriminated against for not doing so. You say you don't code-switch, I suspect you actually do. Most of us do it without ever realising we are doing so. It's an automatic response to certain stimuli. Some people do it very consciously, particularly those who make their living through public speaking.

b) Just because a lot of lawyers practising in the field of Personal Injury claims are sharks, does not mean being a Personal Injury Lawyer makes one a shark. There are many very dodgy and unscrupulous lawyers working in the field of divorce, criminal defence and fraud cases, but there are also many who do their job well. If there was no need for Personal Injury lawyers one would wonder why anybody might follow such a profession; alas there patently is a need given that many people are injured through the negligence of companies. There's a big difference between helping someone whose child has been crippled or disfigured get justice and reparations, and someone persuading an unhurt crash victim that they have whiplash.

Pie · 11-16-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

a) Changing style of language and delivery depending on audience is called code-switching...

Thank you! I did not know that term. Interesting!

yesman065 · 11-16-2006, 12:18 PM

The problem is that too many people see it as an opportunity to get money for nothin - they should get a grip and learn to be responsible for their own actions. There is no perfect system - Utopia doesn't exist.

tw · 11-16-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

The problem is that too many people see it as an opportunity to get money for nothing ...

Which is not my experience. Problem was not too many people seeking a windfall profit. Not to many court cases. Problem was that we in jury were denied basic facts to assign a numerical value to a judgment. As a result, the judgment was set by auction bidding - number kept increasing until no one submitted a higher number.

I was appalled. Having been denied historical facts; having been denied even court testimony in the jury room, then those who can only reply with logic were then silenced. Those who just know from their feelings would bid that settlement higher.

It amazes me that some immediately assume jury verdicts result only from greed. Again, where are 'their' numbers and facts? Without those numbers and facts, then one starts by saying, "I have not a clue". But just like in that jury room and just like on Rush Limbaugh, speculation is represented as fact.

One fact I did observe - we were shorted information massively so that a number based in logic and historical precedent was not possible.

yesman065 · 11-16-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Problem was that we in jury were denied basic facts to assign a numerical value to a judgment. As a result, the judgment was set by auction bidding - number kept increasing until no one submitted a higher number.

One fact I did observe - we were shorted information massively so that a number based in logic and historical precedent was not possible.

How can you possibly put a numerical value on a limb, an eye or the ability to think, act, walk and so on. Its impossible. The next step would be to say that an artists limb is more valuable than a non-artists. All of this creates a situation that is untenable. There is no clear answer, no solution, nor can there be.

Flint · 11-16-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

How can you possibly put a numerical value on a limb, an eye or the ability to think, act, walk and so on.

That's exactly what Tort Reform does. It says: a human life, etc. cannot be worth more than X amount, so conduct yourselves accordingly.

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Originally Posted by yesman065

The next step would be to say that an artists limb is more valuable than a non-artists.

If working with that limb was part of an income they have lost the ability to generate, then it is more valuable by exactly that amount.

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yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	The problem is that too many people see it as an opportunity to get money for nothin - they should get a grip and learn to be responsible for their own actions. There is no perfect system - Utopia doesn't exist.

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