South Africa's high court approves gay marriage - Page 2

DanaC · 11-18-2006, 05:59 PM

Yeah. Fairness isn't the least important.

Flint · 11-18-2006, 07:20 PM

Fuck fairness.

We're America, we don't have to be fair, because God is on our side.
(Repeat, but substitute Jewish, Islamic dieties, then have all kill each other.)

Ibby · 11-18-2006, 08:07 PM

Being treated fairly and equally, not being discriminated against, IS a human right, and it is completely unacceptable to deny anything to someone based on their sex.

9th Engineer · 11-18-2006, 08:28 PM

Fuck fairness is exactly the mindset of America today, it frustrates me to no end. However, gay marriage is not the most pressing issue in this catagory. We have problems with education, health care, taxes, social security, immigration, the list goes on and on. The ultimate in fairness is ideal libertarianism, but there is a big enough bleeding heart population here to rule that out. Fairness is letting the crack addict freeze to death on the street. Fairness is taking kids away from incompetent parents so they have a decent shot at life. Fairness is mother taking a screaming kid around to all the tables in the restaurant to apologise and humble themselves on threat of spanking. Fairness is tough and heartless, and frankly most people don't have the guts to be fair. Fair means equal exchange in all cases, no inherent rights, tough titty for you if you f*ck things up.

Flint · 11-18-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

...gay marriage is not the most pressing issue in this catagory...

It is: because a certain political party is making it a pressing issue. Can you guess which one?

9th Engineer · 11-18-2006, 08:52 PM

Both are, leftists are pressing for the laws to be passed and rightists are pushing back with equal pressure.

Ibby · 11-18-2006, 09:39 PM

No, rightwing nutjobs are trying to get it BANNED, and leftwing commies, with the exception of a few activists, are doing jack shit.

11-18-2006, 09:47 PM

I don't see how its not being "the most important issue" is relavant... that is really confusing to me.
We can do only one thing at at time?
It is a human/civil rights issue.
Partners not being able to share in the suffering at a hospital, deal with taxes together, be a family legally, share in all aspects that all other families do because others (who have no business sticking their noses into their lives) want to have a say, say so... is definitely a violation of their civil rights.

9th Engineer · 11-19-2006, 01:16 AM

Don't bring the tired argument of "you can't stick your nose into my life", if what you do affects me, I have every right to get involved in your buisness. Does this affect me, absolutely. I can make the choice of whether I agree with the changes or not, but don't delude yourself that anything people do has no effect on others.

bluecuracao · 11-19-2006, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Does this affect me, absolutely.

How does it affect you?

DanaC · 11-19-2006, 07:34 AM

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However, gay marriage is not the most pressing issue in this catagory

It might be a fairly pressing issue for gay Americans.

Flint · 11-19-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Does this affect me, absolutely.

Please do elaborate on the terrible impact gay marriage will have, on your life.

glatt · 11-20-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Does this affect me, absolutely.

I'd be curious to hear an answer as well. How does this affect you?

Spexxvet · 11-20-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Both are, leftists are pressing for the laws to be passed and rightists are pushing back with equal pressure.

Conservative politicians are. Gay citizens are. Liberal politicans are not.

Shawnee123 · 11-20-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

How does it affect you?

Yep, old 9 was in and out today...and didn't answer this question. Typical.

Saw it and

(Here's where I get called a bleeding heart commie or something.)

11-18-2006, 07:20 PM	#17
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Fuck fairness. We're America, we don't have to be fair, because God is on our side. (Repeat, but substitute Jewish, Islamic dieties, then have all kill each other.) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-18-2006, 08:07 PM	#18
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Being treated fairly and equally, not being discriminated against, IS a human right, and it is completely unacceptable to deny anything to someone based on their sex. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-18-2006, 08:28 PM	#19
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Fuck fairness is exactly the mindset of America today, it frustrates me to no end. However, gay marriage is not the most pressing issue in this catagory. We have problems with education, health care, taxes, social security, immigration, the list goes on and on. The ultimate in fairness is ideal libertarianism, but there is a big enough bleeding heart population here to rule that out. Fairness is letting the crack addict freeze to death on the street. Fairness is taking kids away from incompetent parents so they have a decent shot at life. Fairness is mother taking a screaming kid around to all the tables in the restaurant to apologise and humble themselves on threat of spanking. Fairness is tough and heartless, and frankly most people don't have the guts to be fair. Fair means equal exchange in all cases, no inherent rights, tough titty for you if you f*ck things up. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-18-2006, 08:52 PM	#21
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Both are, leftists are pressing for the laws to be passed and rightists are pushing back with equal pressure. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-18-2006, 09:39 PM	#22
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	No, rightwing nutjobs are trying to get it BANNED, and leftwing commies, with the exception of a few activists, are doing jack shit. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-18-2006, 05:59 PM	#16
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Yeah. Fairness isn't the least important.

11-18-2006, 09:47 PM	#23
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't see how its not being "the most important issue" is relavant... that is really confusing to me. We can do only one thing at at time? It is a human/civil rights issue. Partners not being able to share in the suffering at a hospital, deal with taxes together, be a family legally, share in all aspects that all other families do because others (who have no business sticking their noses into their lives) want to have a say, say so... is definitely a violation of their civil rights. Last edited by rkzenrage; 11-18-2006 at 09:50 PM.

11-19-2006, 01:16 AM	#24
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Don't bring the tired argument of "you can't stick your nose into my life", if what you do affects me, I have every right to get involved in your buisness. Does this affect me, absolutely. I can make the choice of whether I agree with the changes or not, but don't delude yourself that anything people do has no effect on others. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

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