When Police Aren't Busy Protecting Citizens - Page 2

MaggieL · 08-11-2006, 01:15 PM

Well, these are the guys you're supposed to call and wait for rather than defend yourself, right? Ah...no...this is Florida. These are the guys you call to do the paperwork *after* you defend yourself.

She's gonna sue them, and they've got it coming. This is the same state where the DEA undercover literally shot himself in the foot in front of a class of kids.

Kitsune · 08-11-2006, 01:17 PM

Heh. I had to see that one again.

Kitsune · 08-11-2006, 01:25 PM

Video of the shooting.

Flint · 08-12-2006, 03:15 PM

I hope you bunch of freedom-haters realize that we are at war! Because of...something...to do with our boys overseas, it just isn't appropriate to criticize our government, because if you do: the terrorists have won. If I have to get shot with a barrage of rubber bullets, for no reason whatsoever, if that's what it takes to protect freedom and liberty, then as a good American citizen, I would be a hypocrite not to get down on my hands and knees and thank God that I am getting shot with a barrage of rubber bullets for no reason whatsoever in America, the land of the free, the home of the brave! I feel sickened at these protesting traitors who want to destroy our way of life.

capnhowdy · 08-12-2006, 05:10 PM

Most logical solution to this 'problem' : Build a much more substantial protest sign. Have "Mythbusters" check it out for you.

Flint · 08-12-2006, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capnhowdy

this 'problem'

Care to elaborate on those ironic quotations? Or, do you prefer to let your punctuation do the talking for you?

capnhowdy · 08-12-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Care to elaborate on those ironic quotations? Or, do you prefer to let your punctuation do the talking for you?

Why not?
To some, the problem would be the protest. To me the problem is not having a protest sign strong enough to ward off rubber bullets.

Griff · 08-13-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy

To me the problem is not having a protest sign strong enough to ward off rubber bullets.

One of my Profs brought in a couple "rubber" bullets to class after a trip to Northern Ireland. I'd say they cross the line into lethal. It is remarkable that more protestors have not been killed over the years.

richlevy · 08-13-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

One of my Profs brought in a couple "rubber" bullets to class after a trip to Northern Ireland. I'd say they cross the line into lethal. It is remarkable that more protestors have not been killed over the years.

If I remember correctly, the safe method is to 'skip' the bullets by firing low. From the video, it seems some cops were doing just that.

The woman was crouching, so it's not clear if the bullet that pierced the sign was skipped or not. If not, then the cop firing it was intending to inflict more damage. I am curious to know if someone is killed by police using rubber bullets, can the bullet be matched to a specific gun?

The worst part was that the crowd did not appear unruly and I did not hear any order to disperse. If there was such an order given and it was ignored then the police had the right to take some action. It seems to me, though, that moving directly to rubber bullets was dangerous and inappropriate.

I love how the officer in the session talks about how great it is to win one for a change. I think what he was saying was how much fun it was to fire into an unarmed and peaceful crowd and not have to worry about a counterstrike. If they had tried that stuff in Maimi, they would have gone into the 'loss' column.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-13-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff

One of my Profs brought in a couple "rubber" bullets to class after a trip to Northern Ireland. I'd say they cross the line into lethal. It is remarkable that more protesters have not been killed over the years.

Many people hear or read rubber bullets and think Nerf, when they should be thinking Tires. The bullets are as hard as a damn tire, so range is critical.

I believe the "skipping" was developed to make them safe to use, when the protesters and cops, got up close and personal. Typically they're used on command rather than the individual cops discretion, and typically they don't like to make that call until the protesters are real close.

I seem to remember a woman being seriously hurt (maybe killed), by a rubber bullet, at a CA demonstration against this current war.

JayMcGee · 08-12-2006, 07:12 PM

I though this was current event?

the dateline on the news-story is Nov. 2003

MaggieL · 08-12-2006, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

I though this was current event?
the dateline on the news-story is Nov. 2003

No, it isn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dateline

MIAMI, Aug. 10, 2006

The story was generated by...

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Story

A newly surfaced videotape...

Reading is FUNdamental.

JayMcGee · 08-12-2006, 09:15 PM

so it was....

referred to an event in 2003, tho.....

*refrains from commenting on the timelessness of US media*

MaggieL · 08-13-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

referred to an event in 2003, tho.....

The actual story was the tape and its contents. It's one thing to allege being abused by police. It's quite another, very newsworthy in itself, to have discovered evidence that proves it.

The media appears to have done their job in this case, even if they are Yanks. Your job is to RTFA if you're going to comment. :-)

08-13-2006, 07:59 PM

Unless specifically threatened they don't need to be using them or gas.
Cops are out of hand nationwide and have forgotten for whom they work.

08-11-2006, 01:15 PM	#1
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Well, these are the guys you're supposed to call and wait for rather than defend yourself, right? Ah...no...this is Florida. These are the guys you call to do the paperwork after you defend yourself. She's gonna sue them, and they've got it coming. This is the same state where the DEA undercover literally shot himself in the foot in front of a class of kids. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

08-12-2006, 03:15 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I hope you bunch of freedom-haters realize that we are at war! Because of...something...to do with our boys overseas, it just isn't appropriate to criticize our government, because if you do: *the terrorists have won. If I have to get shot with a barrage of rubber bullets, for no reason whatsoever, if that's what it takes to protect freedom and liberty, then as a good American citizen, I would be a hypocrite not to get down on my hands and knees and thank God* that I am getting shot with a barrage of rubber bullets for no reason whatsoever in America, the land of the free, the home of the brave! I feel sickened at these protesting traitors who want to destroy our way of life. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-12-2006, 05:10 PM	#5
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Most logical solution to this 'problem' : Build a much more substantial protest sign. Have "Mythbusters" check it out for you. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

08-12-2006, 07:12 PM	#11
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	I though this was current event? the dateline on the news-story is Nov. 2003 __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-12-2006, 09:15 PM	#13
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	so it was.... referred to an event in 2003, tho..... refrains from commenting on the timelessness of US media __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

08-11-2006, 01:17 PM	#2
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Heh. I had to see that one again.

08-11-2006, 01:25 PM	#3
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Video of the shooting.

08-13-2006, 07:59 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Unless specifically threatened they don't need to be using them or gas. Cops are out of hand nationwide and have forgotten for whom they work.

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