Copyright Violation - Page 2

smoothmoniker · 08-25-2006, 10:55 AM

huzzah for those bands. that still doesn't make the guy who downloads it for free my customer.

Undertoad · 08-27-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

huzzah for those bands. that still doesn't make the guy who downloads it for free my customer.

Nor the guy who buys or leases it. That guy is the recording company's customer. And when the record company decides to stop selling it, as they eventually do with 95% of material, there won't be any customers at all because it won't be available at any price.

WabUfvot5 · 08-25-2006, 04:01 PM

Does it if they buy your music? What if they buy it a few years later?

Back on topic... I think there would be problems if they medium was the same. DVD to DVD blank for instance. DVD -> iPod is probably legal enough.

Flint · 08-25-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

DVD -> iPod is probably legal enough.

Yes, but the people doing the suing can't even make up their mind about that... They've come out on both sides of the issue.

WabUfvot5 · 08-26-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Yes, but the people doing the suing can't even make up their mind about that... They've come out on both sides of the issue.

We're not lawyers but I would wager good money Circuit City either got the OK from legal or made an agreement to exempt what they are doing.

richlevy · 08-26-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

We're not lawyers but I would wager good money Circuit City either got the OK from legal or made an agreement to exempt what they are doing.

Actually, it's probably like those disclaimers on photograph and document copying machines that place the responsiblity on the users to insure that it is legal for them to be copying the item.

Flint · 08-26-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

We're not lawyers but I would wager good money Circuit City either got the OK from legal or made an agreement to exempt what they are doing.

My point is that the AAs, the ones doing the suing, can't give a straight answer as to whether transfering a DVD to your iPod is something they think is okay or not. Meaning: at their discretion, they could decide to sue over this or not. It's up to circuit City is they want to skate on this thin ice or not, but the AAs have made it clear that pretty much anything you do, no matter how harmless, is fair game to them, in the face of all common sense.

richlevy · 08-26-2006, 10:18 AM

The thing that AA's really want to eliminate are the fair use and first sale doctrines. DRM's on downloaded songs technically violate 'first sale' doctrine, so I'm sure in the fine print somewhere is a note that you are 'leasing' and do not own, your iPod copy of the song.

WabUfvot5 · 08-26-2006, 07:11 PM

Would that be entrapment or enabling by Circuit City? I guess the moral is to do your copying in private (or at worst find the local nerd and pay him / her to do it).

08-27-2006, 12:24 AM

I don't use purchased cds in my car or walkman... I only use copies of cds I have purchased.
If a cd has copy blocking software on it I will not buy it, that artist does not want my money.

08-27-2006, 01:27 AM

I too have heard that.

08-25-2006, 10:55 AM	#1
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08-26-2006, 10:18 AM	#8
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	The thing that AA's really want to eliminate are the fair use and first sale doctrines. DRM's on downloaded songs technically violate 'first sale' doctrine, so I'm sure in the fine print somewhere is a note that you are 'leasing' and do not own, your iPod copy of the song. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

08-25-2006, 04:01 PM	#3
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Does it if they buy your music? What if they buy it a few years later? Back on topic... I think there would be problems if they medium was the same. DVD to DVD blank for instance. DVD -> iPod is probably legal enough.

08-26-2006, 07:11 PM	#9
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Would that be entrapment or enabling by Circuit City? I guess the moral is to do your copying in private (or at worst find the local nerd and pay him / her to do it).

08-27-2006, 12:24 AM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't use purchased cds in my car or walkman... I only use copies of cds I have purchased. If a cd has copy blocking software on it I will not buy it, that artist does not want my money.

08-27-2006, 01:27 AM	#11
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I too have heard that.

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