Israeli Terror Against Families, Even Their Own

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from.

Did you know... that the ruling doesn't apply to women over 25 and men over 35?

Did you know... that the ruling was made in 2002 when Palestinians were in a declared state of war with Israel and many of the entering Palestinians were blowing themselves up in crowded busses and cafes?

Did you know... that an Israeli is not permitted entry at ALL into most Arab states, never mind to marry someone they love?

Did you know... that if you have merely VISITED Israel, you yourself would not be permitted entry at all into most Arab states, never mind to marry someone you love?

Did you know... that Amnesty International has become a relentlessly political organization that selectively ignores torture when it will get them higher donation totals from their donor base?

The More You Know.

Yup, I also know it was only supposed to last a year and has been extended over and over again and now made law to permanently separate those families. So, if you are a certain age your marriage is invalid? That is just stupid, there is no other word for it.
If Israel is going to continue to act like they are taking the high ground in this conflict they have to stop this kind of legislation and let Palestinians back to work and reunite the mixed families, and stop all retaliation actions... until then they are on equal footing with Palestine.

I know that Palestine does a great deal... much of which we would do in their situation. If a superpower came in and removed Americans from a Texas, Southern CA, or FL territory and dumped them into a desert with no rights in tents and them moved their people into their homes and infrastructures, then fired on them it would be total war. Something the US has done several times.
I don't agree with what Palestine is doing or what Israel is doing, they are both equally at fault; well Israel, Palestine and the UN with the US in the forefront.
I do know if someone comes to take my home they will die, if they try to relocate me they will die, if they try to put their kids in the school that my taxes and hard work built the school will burn...
I do not believe I would kill their kids on purpose, but I cannot conceive of their Apaches killing my kids and my neighbors kids as "retaliation" for something someone else did... if so, I may feel that they need to know what it feels like. I hope not, but I honestly don't know that I would not, I can't imagine losing my son... much less like that.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I don't agree with what Palestine is doing or what Israel is doing, they are both equally at fault...

"Moral equivalance" again.

As long as we're flinging propiganda about, here's a slightly different view of Middle East history.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

"Moral equivalance" again.

I always get the image of a fight between siblings, with the bigger one constantly poking and shoving, and the smaller one constantly kicking and biting.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Great, now I'm hooked on Sinfest. Been reading for about five straight hours, and I'm only to Feb. '02... I'll have to finish tomorrow, I need sleeeeeep.

BTDT, sowwy. :evilgrin:

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I always get the image of a fight between siblings, with the bigger one constantly poking and shoving, and the smaller one constantly kicking and biting.

You might refine your image by replacing the poking/shoving/biting/kicking with small caliber handguns.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

You might refine your image by replacing the poking/shoving/biting/kicking with small caliber handguns.

And bombs and tanks and bulldozers, and the siblings with Isrealis and Palestinians. But then it's no longer an analogy...

[Undertoad]

Which one is the bigger one and which one is the smaller one?

[Happy Monkey]

Which one kicked ass in the last war? Which one has the support of the world's remaining superpower? Which one has not only that superpower's nukes, but its own as well?

Israel is bigger.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Which one has not only that superpower's nukes...

Erm..actually no. We have that superpower's nukes, which we developed in order to survive... And Israel kicked ass in the 1976 war in order to survive.

The amazing crap that gets handed out in schools these days labelled "history" is both--amazing and crap.

[Happy Monkey]

Your "Erm..actually no" is based on a misreading of my post, as If I were somehow blaming Israel or the US for having nukes, or blaming Israel for winning the war. I was merely stating facts.

Erm..actually no. We have that superpower's nukes, which we developed in order to survive...

And Israel developed theirs in order to survive. Israel has the full support of the US, and everything that entails, so in a major war between Israel and the Arab world, US nukes, if used, would be in support of Israel. In addition, if the US does not want to use nukes, Israel has some of its own.

And Israel kicked ass in the 1976 war in order to survive.

Of course. Thereby demonstrating that despite geography they are the big ones. That's my point.

The amazing crap that gets handed out in schools these days labelled "history" is both--amazing and crap.

Non sequitur.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Thereby demonstrating that despite geography they are the big ones

Until Iran has some too? Then will things be "even"?

I doubt it...Iran has already announced their policy towards Israel. Even a glazed-crater response from the US would be cold comfort to any Israeli survivors.

The strategic utility of nukes is a very complex issue. and the outcome of the '67 war may be more due to this than anything else. It certainly wasn't due to any help from the US; the only US military unit to see action in the 1967 war was USS Liberty.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

It certainly wasn't due to any help from the US; the only US military unit to see action in the 1967 war was USS Liberty.

Right. They won in 1967 without nukes, and without much US support. Now they have nukes, they've been militarizing more and more, and their relationship with the US is stronger. Plus, as your link says, their military is much better trained and prepared. You are strengthening my point. Israel is bigger.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Until Iran has some too? Then will things be "even"?
...

Since when did Iran become an Arab state?

Originally Posted by CIA Wold Factbook

Ethnic groups:
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

...as your link says, their military is much better trained and prepared. You are strengthening my point. Israel is bigger.

That doesn't make them bigger, it only makes them smarter.

Will Iran be bigger than it is now when it goes nuclear? Is it bigger because it's currently cozy with Russia and China?

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by BigV

Since when did Iran become an Arab state?

Who said they were? I didn't.

Maybe you'll like this map better.



Yellow bearing labels is Arab or other Muslim states hostile to Israel. Red and blue are the original Palestine.

Red being the Jewish Palestinian State and blue being Transjordan, the Arab Palestinian state.

Oh...the red is the Jewish Palestinian state before 1947 when the UN subtracted Gaza, the West Bank and a piece of Golan to make...erm...well

..another Arab Palestinian state. That must be that "two-state solution" people are always talking about...Palestine *and* Jordan.