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Old 09-03-2005, 05:28 PM   #1
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:27 PM   #2
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Thanks for the correction: "doesnt care about".
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:33 PM   #3
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Old 09-03-2005, 10:22 PM   #4
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And, to reference the original question, Kanye West was speaking between Mike Meyers and Chris Tucker, two Hollywood stars also helping with the telethon.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:38 AM   #5
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Fuck, I missed it, but I still want to know what the big hitters are doing. Where is Babs, Robbins, and Penn? Once again with the racecard...enough all ready. I'm sure there are a mixture of people there suffering. As long as people make issues race related America is going to be ugly. And the people mentioned above aren't Hollywood. Please don't call me Mr. Gun...nicotinegun, or gun. I don't like the Mr. or the Sir, people have the tendency to prefix onto my name. Anyhoo, where are they? Why aren't they forking over the cash like they do to foreign nations.

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Old 09-04-2005, 09:22 AM   #6
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What makes you think they aren't?

Tim Robbins
Angelina Jolie
Harry Connick Jr. and Russel Crowe (mov)

Not all of them will be in the news.

Not that it really matters what the celebrities are doing, but don't assume they aren't.
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Old 09-04-2005, 10:30 AM   #7
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Old 09-04-2005, 11:12 AM   #8
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Just read on the Guardian Unlimited (online version) that vacationing Brits were told, "sorry, find your own way out. We're here for Americans." If that's true---sheesh!
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Old 09-04-2005, 05:25 PM   #9
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Important telethon update!

The first and last four hours of the Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon are going for Hurricane Katrina relief.
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Old 09-04-2005, 07:05 PM   #10
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Racism is the simplistic, but passionate, historically based argument. Bye bye blackbird. And I can see how it would sting at bit.

Incompetence or racism? I'm going with incompetence exaserbated by classism and lack of political clout.

What was revealed to me was what living in poverty and/or being elderly during a natural disaster looks like. Desperate. Unfortunatly expendible. The working poor.

Why did it take so long to get the military there?
Should Bush get some blame? He's the CEO after all. He waited too many days, flew in, noted inadequacies and within hours the choppers landed and turned the tide. Why the wait? When Harry Connick can drive right in safely days ealier, why cant a truck of water or a bus? The excuses are so lame.
Glad that James Lee Witt, former kick ass FEMA director that Bush let go, was hired by Gov Blanco to coordinate there. Bet she's wishing she'd gone to the private consultant earlier.
Brown turns out basically to be a lawyer college buddy of Bush's campaign manager with little experience in disaster management. Hey who screened that application! (that's sarcasm)
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Old 09-05-2005, 09:04 AM   #11
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What was revealed to me was what living in poverty and/or being elderly during a natural disaster looks like. Desperate. Unfortunatly expendible. The working poor.
I'm sure a lot were the working poor, but many of them were said to not have the gas money to get out because the evacuation came at the end of the month and their checks come on the 1st and the 3rd. Social Security and welfare?
I have heard the argument that being seperated and end up living in other places may have a good effect in the long run because there were a lot of families that had generation after generation learning to live off the government. One young lady on TV said all she got out with was her babies SS cards and birth certificates...............
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Old 09-04-2005, 08:53 PM   #12
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Why didn't Hollywood save New Orleans ?

I would give one Oscar to GW Bush for his performance in "The fourth day after Hurricane Katrina".

And another Oscar for his shirtsleeves...



I don't know what's this story : "Thomas Jefferson kissed Sally Hemings". Can you help me ?

New Orleans, army, racism and black people remind me of a riot several years ago in the 80's, in... ? Los Angeles ?
Our police minister (Sarkozy, can be GWB's best friend) has recently said he wanted to "use the Karcher" in the suburbs of Paris (against people !)
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Old 09-04-2005, 09:39 PM   #13
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I don't know what's this story : "Thomas Jefferson kissed Sally Hemings". Can you help me ?
It is widely known that Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with (and I'm pretty sure children by) one of his slaves, Sally Hemings.
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Old 09-05-2005, 07:53 AM   #14
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This is the tw take on it, then, and it's quite familiar because it's been the same refrain for years:

1. Bush had his magic make-everything-better wand, and callously refused to wave it because the people he'd wave it at were black.

2. To show otherwise, you have to prove a negative.

3. If you can't prove a negative, you are deficient in logic.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:51 AM   #15
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This is the tw take on it, then, and it's quite familiar because it's been the same refrain for years:

1. Bush had his magic make-everything-better wand, and callously refused to wave it because the people he'd wave it at were black.
No, but he did have a responsibility to appoint people to head agencies to protect the most vulnerable. FEMA and Homeland Security appointees should be selected based on skill, not political expediency.

There appear to be three classes of people in his cabinet. The first are competent people that he knows personally and listens to. The second are incompetent people that he knows personally and listens to. The third are competent people that he does not listen to.

The FEMA director sounds like #2. Homeland Security head Chertoff makes me miss Ridge, who as a former governor would have known what was needed. Of course one reason Ridge might have left the job was that he realized that he could not get things done there.

Bush seems very reluctant to fire his friends, no matter how incompetent. it will be interesting to see how he can save Brown and Chertoff from what even he has acknowledged was an 'unsatisfactory' performance.

This really is a 'barn door' administration. They are completely reactive to all threats, from terrorism to infrastructure. Doesn't anyone there practice 'hope for the best, plan for the worst'?

Maybe if someone had mentioned the freezer full of dying embryos somewhere downtown we would have had a faster response. Since each one is a 'life', does that mean we should add 500,000 to the death toll?
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