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03-13-2011, 06:49 PM | #16 | |
Doctor Wtf
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Foot .... touche!
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I've been dabbling on guitar for almost 20 years. (#%&*, how did that happen???) and can play a few nice melodies. It's fun and has helped get me laid. But I never took lessons, so I've always had my left hand in what I now know is a wrong position. This is now greatly limiting my opportunity to progress. I can either go back to beginner level and get it right, or mess around where I am for fun. I do the latter. This isn't what I do for a living, just for fun. So my two cents is, if you're starting out, get at least a few lessons to make sure you start right. My 10,000 hours was focused of philosophising, and I'm good enough at that to earn a living.
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03-13-2011, 08:15 PM | #17 |
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Some of that 10,000 hours is productive thought. You picture it in your head, and think about what you have to do to achieve it, or to achieve the next level. I know a lot of my hours were just spent imagining a fretboard while listening to a song.
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03-13-2011, 08:36 PM | #18 |
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I think mine is drawing. I have put in thousands of hour of that and have pushed the envelope for many of those hours. I don't think there is any way not to with drawing. I don't know if I am a master, but I am a hell of a lot better at it than I would have been had I not had that particular obsession for the last 32 years.
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03-13-2011, 11:21 PM | #19 |
I hear them call the tide
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Re: Practising Wrong
It isn't always a bad thing to work on stuff that isn't "right". I Figure Skate. I've always wanted to, I've been taking classes for 10 years now. After a while I realized that it worked better for me to do stuff "wrong" and get familiar with that then correct it, than to keep trying to do it the right way and be too scared so it never got done.
I'm a mental math and word master. figure skating will come. I can do more than most....
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03-13-2011, 11:33 PM | #20 |
Doctor Wtf
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True. My point is more about getting good at a technique that leads to an early dead-end.
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03-13-2011, 11:35 PM | #21 |
I hear them call the tide
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Mostly, it's bad thing. But not for me. Because i'm weird.
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03-13-2011, 11:56 PM | #22 |
Doctor Wtf
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You're a triple-rainbow master at that.
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03-14-2011, 01:55 AM | #23 |
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The devil rum is inhibiting my ability to properly recall or search for it, but I'm 96.3% certain we discussed this previously. In that previous discussion, real or imagined, I referenced the book Bounce by Matthew Syed. Even though he's just a pingpong putz I fully support his hypothesis. Lil Lookout, crazy lil bugger that he is has no more genetic ability than any other child (I should know, I've met his parents) but he has been drilled thousands of hours in technique and philosophy of the game of football and therefore appears "gifted" when compared against other children within 2-3 years of his own age.
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03-18-2011, 08:19 AM | #24 | |
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This time with being in a new language environment (which is albeit an Australian enclave) and learning a completely new language almost from scratch, I've just thought bugger it...who cares if I can speak or understand or not, how many mistakes I make and how long it takes me to learn. I haven't been able to take any Indonesian classes yet as the last beginner class was full and I can't commit to any non-work activities until my timetable stabilises in mid-April so at the moment I'm learning with the security guards at work. They are obviously bored out of their skulls so every time I walk past them, they ask me a question and explain it with their limited English (which is better than my Indonesian) and little by little (like in miniscule increments), I'm adding to what I can say. Yesterday, I managed a conversation with one of the cleaning staff which consisted of "What time are you going home?" and my answer to the same question "I'm going home in an hour" and was very pleased with myself. The staff member in question humoured me by smiling and everyone felt good and I'll keep on trying out my bad grammar and non-existent vocabulary and gradually get better. |
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03-18-2011, 10:14 AM | #25 |
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I think we're muddling concepts here.
Should fear of imperfection keep you from doing something? Of course not. Once you're doing it, there are technical and creative skills to most tasks. The technical skills should be doggedly pursued with perfection being the goal. The creative skills should be propelled forward by experimentation, curiosity, and a healthy degree of "wrongness".
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03-18-2011, 11:00 AM | #26 | |
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03-18-2011, 11:11 AM | #27 |
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Crochet, Cross-Stitch, and Committing People.
oh, and shootin'.
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03-18-2011, 01:34 PM | #28 | |
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All learning is about failure. My teacher used to say, "Seven times knocked down, eight times get up."
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03-18-2011, 01:46 PM | #29 |
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Wow! a fisherman hasn't posted to this thread yet!
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03-18-2011, 04:03 PM | #30 |
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Every time I bake I improve.
The Staffroom are already very appreciative, but there are major flaws and I know it. I learn a little every time though. Who knows, in 10,000 hours time I might be good enough to sell them on Aylesbury market?! Well, I'm happy to stick to perfecting them to my own standards. |
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