Be a person...

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by dhamsaic
First: change your tag right this instant!

I'm getting to it..."Porn Addict" kept making me laugh last night.

Second: How do you know it wasn't after something else? Just curious.

It was named just after the album came out...some promotional b.s. They made a big deal of it in St. Louis (Gravity Kills' home base).

Heh. "Pretty Hate Machine Lipstick". Man, that would be lame.

Also, tea is good. It helps keep you awake.

Are you really a Porn Addict, or you just think it's funny?

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Are you really a Porn Addict, or you just think it's funny?

Not a porn addict...I was sitting here about 3 or so this morning...and I was trying to come up with a really funny title--unfortunately I was hamstrung by the 25 character limit. "Porn Addict" came to mind, and I must've laughed about it for several minutes.

[jaguar]

Dham - you an anti-porn cursader?

[juju]

What's wrong with his tag? Henry Rollins is awesome... I have all of his spoken word stuff on mp3s (which incidentally caused me to buy three of his spoken word cds).

[jeni]

let me answer that for you, jaguar.

the computer i have right now at my home in california still uses the hard drive it's been using for quite some time. years. which means, since it hasn't been formatted in those years, that i've got BUNCHES of crap on that hard drive.

and since it used to be the family computer, i have all sorts of crap that used to belong to dave.

and there is plenty of porn in that "all sorts of crap".

so the answer, no.

Heh.

No, I'm not anti-porn. And I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing fuckfaces saying it's degrading to women - it's degrading to men! It feeds on their instinct to GET IT ON! Men spend billions of dollars every year on porn. The women know this, and are getting paid for it. Porn == exploitation of men.

Anyway. Back when I was 15 and used that computer, the whole porn thing was cool 'cause it was so taboo. Once I turned 18, it just kinda seemed stupid. However, I do find porno movies <b>funny</b> - the soundtracks are just awful

[elSicomoro]

*laughs*

jag, it's an inside joke between dham and I...it was regarding my title, which earlier today said "Porn Addict." If I see you on ICQ, I'll explain it to you.

[MaggieL]

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Heh.

No, I'm not anti-porn. And I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing fuckfaces saying it's degrading to women - it's degrading to men!

*Cheap* erotica--what we usually call "pornography" is degrading to all involved, like any shoddy art. But there is *good* erotica too.

A quote from my Cookie Jar


"Feminists against pornography (as distinct from the other anti-pornography camps) hold that our entire culture is pornographic. In a pornographic world, all our sexual constructions are obscene; sexual materials are necessarily oppressive, limited by the constraints of the culture. Even the act of viewing becomes a male actan act of subordinating the person viewed. Under this construct, I'm a damaged woman, a heretic.

"Always, the censors are concerned with how men act, and how women are portrayed. Women cannot make free sexual choices in that world; they are too oppressed to know that only oppression would lead them to sell sex. And I, watching, am either too oppressed to know the harm that my watching has done to my sisters, oror else I have become the Man. And it is the Man in me who watches and is aroused. (Shame.) What a mysogynistic worldview this is, this claim that women who make such choices cannot be making free choices at allare not free to make a choice. Feminists against pornography have done a sad and awful thing: They have made women into objects" --Sallie Tisdale in Harper's Magazine: <i>Talk Dirty to Me: A woman's taste for pornography</i>

[jeni]

fuck this whole "degrading" business.

the only women that porn and stripping and whatnot could be degrading to is the women who CHOOSE to do the porn and stripping. no other women.

the problem with the world is the idiots on it. if you're worried about porn being degrading to women, talk to the porn stars. i highly doubt, that while they get to have sex, and get paid for it, many of them feel terribly degraded.

why is it, also, that you don't hear men bitching about how porn is degrading to men? possibly because it's just sex? sex should be fun, and if the people are getting paid for it, why would anyone else care?

this all comes back to how people percieve shit. if i think eminem is talking about killing gays, is it bad, because kids will think it's okay to hate people different from themselves? it's all the same shit.

to each his own, i think, for the most part.

[jaguar]

to each his own, i think, for the most part.

A taken stance here, a token stance there....

Interesting stuff MaggieL...

Porn == exploitation of men.

What Demand = Supply, nuttin more to it.

That's true, jaggy. I guess selling drugs to kids who are hooked on herion isn't really "exploitation" either - just filling that niche market, eh? Supply and demand.

[jaguar]

of course its supply and demand!
Argh!
I seem to remember you were one who previously rejected me saying all business is exploitation!(correct me if i'm wrong on that) Of course it is! You exploit a demand!
ffs people!!!

I guess selling drugs to kids who are hooked on herion isn't really "exploitation" either - just filling that niche market, eh? Supply and demand.

Or that men want shaving blades, or people want socks, you just chose a more distasteful example - the principle is the same!
THis has been something iv'e touched on many a time - business by nautre is immoral, you are merely exploiting demand, someone elses weakness to make money, in that sense WHAT weakness is irrelavent if you look at it objectively.

Heh. It really does depend, jag. One thing that comes to mind, for example, are the businesses that lose money because they love doing what they're doing so much. Doctors, also. They work in a hospital - a business, here in the US. But they're not really exploiting.

I'd say that in a simple use of the word, yes, most businesses exploit a demand. However, it really depends on your usage of the word. I'd personally rather think of "exploitation" as the Nike kids in Vietnam and not cheapen the word by using it to describe filling a need for a service.

[jaguar]

Ah but it is still the word - there isn't another.
We are fundamentally selfish, we exploit everything around us, our enviroment, often our firends (thugh they may not know it, in ways such as emotinal crutches), the enviroment, everything, often its mutual to both parties, soften the language all you want but the facts are the same.

They work in a hospital - a business, here in the US. But they're not really exploiting.

Depends where, private hospitals here sure as hell do. Excpetins to the rule are a: very few and far between b: usually not very big and usualy come in the form of charities rather than businesses.