George "Macacawitz" Allen on Guns - Page 2

wolf · 11-23-2006, 11:23 AM

There was this thing, you may have heard of it, called the American Revolution.

DanaC · 11-23-2006, 11:26 AM

Yep. Was a fucking long time ago. Dont see how that relates to your current need for small arms.

Also, the need for weapons in everyday life had as much to do with being a frontier nation as with the revolution

Incidentally Urbane, Up until very recently the concept of militia was a strong part of the English consciousness. We held to a militia system for over a thousand years. It was the duty for every freeborn man to hold arms throughout the saxon and medieval period.

Undertoad · 11-23-2006, 11:26 AM

In British history books it is not called a "revolution" at all, but merely "The Loss of the American Colonies".

DanaC · 11-23-2006, 11:27 AM

Not true Undertoad.

Undertoad · 11-23-2006, 11:28 AM

Well it was in the book I had. (1978, 3rd form public school)

DanaC · 11-23-2006, 11:29 AM

I think the key there is '1978'. Believe it or not, progress happens even in blighty.

Undertoad · 11-23-2006, 11:30 AM

They are re-writing history?!

DanaC · 11-23-2006, 11:34 AM

History isn't static. Historical scholarship is a constantly changing and revising affair. However, this is about how history is taught to children, rather than scholarship. How history is taught is and has always been subject to the political zeitgeist and prevailing orthodoxy. The book you are referring to is from a time when the concept of 'Empire' was still tenously clinging on, albeit it in terms of something lost. Nowadays, that concept is a historical one and brings little or no influence to bear upon the teaching of our young.

MaggieL · 11-23-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Dont see how that relates to your current need for small arms.

The UN and other socialist...sorry, of course I mean "progressive" elements continue to insist that we prove we "need" things in order to be allowed to keep them.

To my mind, how important it obviously is to these people that I be disarmed is some of the best proof I have that I "need" to continue to be armed.

BrianR · 11-23-2006, 06:53 PM

I had British neighbors once upon a time who referred to the American Revolution as the American Rebellion and sported a bumper sticker that read "Paul Revere was a snitch!"

It's all a matter of perspective.

Brian

JayMcGee · 11-23-2006, 07:09 PM

nope, we do call it the American Revolution.... and with good cause.... those colonials were definately revolting.....

Aliantha · 11-23-2006, 07:11 PM

geee...even the Australian ones? (who happen to be doing very well in the cricket atm)

JayMcGee · 11-23-2006, 07:18 PM

especially the....the...aus....oz.....ab..... them thar lot down under...

(ashes? what ashes? hmmmph... it's only a game....)

Aliantha · 11-23-2006, 07:24 PM

How sad. And I thought you had a 'thing' for...ummm...aussies.

JayMcGee · 11-23-2006, 07:33 PM

ah, well. as I said, it's only a game.

mmmm......how game are you? (in best Leslie Phillips accent)

11-23-2006, 11:23 AM	#16
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There was this thing, you may have heard of it, called the American Revolution. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-23-2006, 06:53 PM	#25
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	I had British neighbors once upon a time who referred to the American Revolution as the American Rebellion and sported a bumper sticker that read "Paul Revere was a snitch!" It's all a matter of perspective. Brian __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

11-23-2006, 07:09 PM	#26
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	nope, we do call it the American Revolution.... and with good cause.... those colonials were definately revolting..... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-23-2006, 07:11 PM	#27
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	geee...even the Australian ones? (who happen to be doing very well in the cricket atm) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-23-2006, 07:18 PM	#28
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	*especially* the....the...aus....oz.....ab..... them thar lot down under... (ashes? what ashes? hmmmph... it's only a game....) __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-23-2006, 11:26 AM	#17
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Yep. Was a fucking long time ago. Dont see how that relates to your current need for small arms. Also, the need for weapons in everyday life had as much to do with being a frontier nation as with the revolution Incidentally Urbane, Up until very recently the concept of militia was a strong part of the English consciousness. We held to a militia system for over a thousand years. It was the duty for every freeborn man to hold arms throughout the saxon and medieval period.

11-23-2006, 11:26 AM	#18
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In British history books it is not called a "revolution" at all, but merely "The Loss of the American Colonies".

11-23-2006, 11:27 AM	#19
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Not true Undertoad.

11-23-2006, 11:28 AM	#20
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well it was in the book I had. (1978, 3rd form public school)

11-23-2006, 11:29 AM	#21
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think the key there is '1978'. Believe it or not, progress happens even in blighty.

11-23-2006, 11:30 AM	#22
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	They are re-writing history?!

11-23-2006, 11:34 AM	#23
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	History isn't static. Historical scholarship is a constantly changing and revising affair. However, this is about how history is taught to children, rather than scholarship. How history is taught is and has always been subject to the political zeitgeist and prevailing orthodoxy. The book you are referring to is from a time when the concept of 'Empire' was still tenously clinging on, albeit it in terms of something lost. Nowadays, that concept is a historical one and brings little or no influence to bear upon the teaching of our young.

11-23-2006, 07:24 PM	#29
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	How sad. And I thought you had a 'thing' for...ummm...aussies. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-23-2006, 07:33 PM	#30
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	ah, well. as I said, it's only a game. mmmm......how game are you? (in best Leslie Phillips accent) __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

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