Obama's first failed appointment - Page 2

Happy Monkey · 01-06-2009, 02:36 PM

Here's one explanation.

Shawnee123 · 01-06-2009, 02:57 PM

What's that article writer know? He's just a former CIA field director.

Obama knows what he's doing.

classicman · 01-06-2009, 03:41 PM

Interesting guy.

Robert Baer

Beestie · 01-06-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Here's one explanation.

I'm not sure I'd call that an explanation. The article starts by qualifying Panetta as a Washington insider saying that's just what the CIA needs.

The article finishes by saying that the agency is best served by distancing itself from Washington and excessive politics.

Furthermore...

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Leading Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee Jay Rockefeller and Dianne Feinstein have already criticized the choice of Panetta, claiming the CIA needs to be led by an experienced intelligence professional.

I'm open to suggestion but I'm not getting much. The best answer I've heard yet is that "Obama knows what he is doing."

Besides, I never trust anybody who has a book to sell. Even if the author is a CIA field officer.

I suspect that's the best answer me or anyone else is going to get - rationalizations notwithstanding.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-07-2009, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Either Obama has all of us outfoxed or he just screwed up badly.

Like Pie, I'm confused on this one but I'm hoping there's a middle ground between your extremes.

TheMercenary · 01-07-2009, 06:59 AM

All the Dems have done on this one is to give the Repubs a chance to totally tear the guy appart during the conformation hearings. I can imagine them sitting up there saying, "So Mr. Pannnetta, list your intelligence experience and acomplishments that you think make you qualified to be the head of one of the largest intelligence agencies in the world."

Joe Biden admitted that they should have consulted more members of Congress who were involved in Intell before they chose Pannetta. I could see if they chose him for overall intell director instead of head of CIA, but they didn't. Now they will have to put up with more problems on the inside and if he is not respected by the rank and file he is going to have huge problems.

TheMercenary · 01-07-2009, 08:21 AM

Shawnee123 · 01-07-2009, 08:29 AM

I don't care whose side I'm on...that is a great political cartoon.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-07-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Now they will have to put up with more problems on the inside and if he is not respected by the rank and file he is going to have huge problems.

I think it's about time the "rank and file" stopped stroking their petty egos and started doing what's best for the country. Not only in the CIA, but most of the government agencies.

Shawnee123 · 01-07-2009, 02:09 PM

I think that's what I've been trying to say all along: quit bitching and moaning about someone peeing in your spot and get on with the business of getting on board to do what's best for this country.

Happy Monkey · 01-07-2009, 02:48 PM

This article lists four CIA directors appointed as "outsiders", two who were "unwelcome", and "two of the agency's most successful directors".

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Given his background, Panetta is a somewhat unusual choice to lead the CIA, an agency that has been unwelcoming to previous directors perceived as outsiders, such as Stansfield M. Turner and John M. Deutch.
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He said that given global environment, there are indeed good reasons for Obama to select a CIA veteran to lead the CIA. But he said that two of the agency’s most successful directors, John McCone and George H.W. Bush, had little or no intelligence intelligence experience when they took over at CIA.

classicman · 01-07-2009, 03:52 PM

I see what ya did thar

smoothmoniker · 01-08-2009, 03:34 AM

I think this is an odd choice for the post, but I have a very, very strong preference for allowing the commander in chief to staff his branch how he sees fit.

I think the job of the congress it to ensure that there is no gross negligence or blatant corruption in the nomination process, not to vet candidates based on ideological concerns or who they think might be a better fit for the gig. If you're going to hold someone accountable for how a job is done (and we will hold Obama accountable), you have to let them pick their people.

TheMercenary · 01-08-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I think it's about time the "rank and file" stopped stroking their petty egos and started doing what's best for the country. Not only in the CIA, but most of the government agencies.

I believe they have been doing that all along. You seem to think otherwise, but the rank and file of this country has been doing what is right for a long time. It is the people at the top who keep screwing it up. This appointment is just opening the chance for another of those screw ups to do it again.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-08-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Now they will have to put up with more problems on the inside and if he is not respected by the rank and file he is going to have huge problems.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I believe they have been doing that all along. You seem to think otherwise, but the rank and file of this country has been doing what is right for a long time. It is the people at the top who keep screwing it up. This appointment is just opening the chance for another of those screw ups to do it again.

Which is it?

01-06-2009, 02:36 PM	#16
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Here's one explanation. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-06-2009, 03:41 PM	#18
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Interesting guy. Robert Baer __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-07-2009, 06:59 AM	#21
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	All the Dems have done on this one is to give the Repubs a chance to totally tear the guy appart during the conformation hearings. I can imagine them sitting up there saying, "So Mr. Pannnetta, list your intelligence experience and acomplishments that you think make you qualified to be the head of one of the largest intelligence agencies in the world." Joe Biden admitted that they should have consulted more members of Congress who were involved in Intell before they chose Pannetta. I could see if they chose him for overall intell director instead of head of CIA, but they didn't. Now they will have to put up with more problems on the inside and if he is not respected by the rank and file he is going to have huge problems. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-07-2009, 08:21 AM	#22
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-07-2009, 02:09 PM	#25
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I think that's what I've been trying to say all along: quit bitching and moaning about someone peeing in your spot and get on with the business of getting on board to do what's best for this country. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-06-2009, 02:57 PM	#17
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	What's that article writer know? He's just a former CIA field director. Obama knows what he's doing.

01-07-2009, 08:29 AM	#23
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I don't care whose side I'm on...that is a great political cartoon.

01-07-2009, 03:52 PM	#27
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I see what ya did thar __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-08-2009, 03:34 AM	#28
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	I think this is an odd choice for the post, but I have a very, very strong preference for allowing the commander in chief to staff his branch how he sees fit. I think the job of the congress it to ensure that there is no gross negligence or blatant corruption in the nomination process, not to vet candidates based on ideological concerns or who they think might be a better fit for the gig. If you're going to hold someone accountable for how a job is done (and we will hold Obama accountable), you have to let them pick their people. __________________ to live and die in LA

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