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The 'how' of this has gotten my attention.
The underlying plot thickens. Manning, the private who apparently copied the documents confesses online to a hacker. http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...6/18/wikileaks Quote:
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Treason? He was working for the Army at the time he copied the documents.Didn't he take an oath to protect the interests of the U.S. and her allis? Public exposure is a pretty soft word. Should we all start copying information from the hard-drives of where we work and expose them? Last edited by skysidhe; 11-30-2010 at 10:36 AM. |
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After 9-11, so much was made of the lack of communication between various arms of the government, they hooked everything together with access by even lowly clerks.
People say all kinds of things on the internet they wouldn't say in person. When you have something that's bugging you, and have to talk to someone, a stranger on the net seems to be a safe option after you've developed some kind of rapport.
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Sky, I'd say yes to copying and whistle-blowing if what a company is doing is illegal.
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Ironically, this will probably cause the opposite effect of what wikileaks was hoping for. If they were looking for more transparency, it will cause US leaders to be even more secretive and come down on leaks even harder. If they were looking for a change to a more liberal, by liberal I mean sunshine and flowers type of liberal, US foreign policy, I could see it becoming even more blunt.
There is a need for classified information and blunt foreign policies but the problem, as always, is where is line drawn in the sea of gray.
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I am also loyal to a fault, which also pegs me as having no scruples. ah, well If this guy Manning had access to these documents, I am sure other people did too. Why should we ( you ) pat this guy on the back when all of the others decided to stay true to their government, and die in the line of duty too. I wouldn't have done it. For their sakes. For the sake of being a team.For those who I would have considered my brothers and sisters, in arms. I wouldn't have done it. |
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Classic, I doubt seriously the State Dept will not be able to negotiate with others.
One of the talking heads on TV reported that the response of former State Dept diplomats was not about the embarrassment or trust, but the perception that diplomats were acting as spies. If that's the policy (i.e., to spy), then change the policy. I'm surprised Hillary didn't know better than to perpetuate Condy's policy. But so far Wikileaks is not about Hillary, and I essentially agree with Piercehawkeye's last comment: Quote:
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That's the fucking point! You can't draw a line in a gray area, nobody will know where it is. That's why diplomats need latitude, and the ability to communicate frankly with their associates in other parts of the world, without fear of assholes like wikileaks.
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I can't believe you continue to sound so flippant about the damage known and potential. This is not "whistle-blowing".
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Good news....
WikiLeaks ‘Cablegate’ Site Hit By Powerful Cyber-Attack http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/...-cyber-attack/ A bit like closing the barn door after the horse got away, but hopefully they will destroy this organization.
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Classic, see post # 14
But that's really not the main point. The new media have been talking about leaks of State Dept materials, and the "spying" issue has been a major sub-topic. The policy/directive to carry out the "spying" was a policy initiated by Sec of State Rice, and more recently continued by Sec of State Clinton. |
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