Tell Me when to start Running

[Undertoad]

Hurricanes are said to be evidence of global warming. However, there hasn't been a cat 3 hit the US in the eight years since Katrina. tw's threads and weather-predictors' "whoeverdoesthatshitologists say there will be appx 7 MAJOR Hurricanes this year" have resulted in nada.

Therefore global warming is over, right?

Or is warming actually much more complicated, and so this sort of snarky blaming and finger-pointing is just unhelpful political masturbation? Adding heat but no light to the GW debate?

I'm just saying.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm just saying.

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I agree with you, UT.

The Democrats and Obama should not be blamed for everything wrong with this country.
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[BigV]

maybe you didn't get the joke.

the video wasn't about how many hurricanes we're having, it's about associating the damage from a hurricane with a given name; how it's unfair to castigate innocent people like Ivan and Andrew and Katrina and Sandy when they're not responsible for causing harm. the video suggests that the names should more accurately reflect the real sources of harm, *namely* (see what I did thar?), people in positions of influence who by their actions in concert with their beliefs that it is not caused by man-made activity are increasing that harm, but getting away with it because other names are being associated with the hurricanes.

but you probably already knew that, just as you probably already know that no one is suggesting that hurricanes are caused by climate change.

Marco Rubio, a denier.

Originally Posted by Rubio

Regarding "man-made global warming."

"I don't think there's the scientific evidence to justify it," Rubio said.

Michelle Bachmann, simple simpleton.

Originally Posted by Bachmann

"The big thing we are working on now is the global warming hoax. It's all voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax."
...
"There isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural. It is not harmful. It is part of Earth’s life cycle...And yet we’re being told that we have to reduce this natural substance and reduce the American standard of living to create an arbitrary reduction in something that is naturally occurring in the earth."

David Vitter, political hack/denier.

Originally Posted by Vitter

Evidence from liberals supporting climate change is often based on "ridiculous pseudo-science garbage," Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) charged Friday.

Vitter openly mocked an assertion by his Senate colleague Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who said she can feel a change in climate as manifested by increased turbulence in her plane flights.

"Unfortunately, that's sort of the ridiculous pseudo-science garbage that's so common on the left on this issue," Vitter said

Collin Peterson, not a denier, not a Republican, a profiteer.

Originally Posted by Peterson

"They’re saying to us [that climate change is] going to be a big problem because it’s going to be warmer than it usually is; my farmers are going to say that’s a good thing since they’ll be able to grow more corn."

John Boehner, an illusionist, misdirecting the audience with "carcinogen". He's not stupid, he's trying to distract.

Originally Posted by Boehner

"The idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical," Boehner said Sunday morning on ABC. "Every time we exhale, we emit carbon dioxide."

Rick Perry, stalwart business-first, last, always, monomaniac, unafraid self-acclaimed "skeptic" (just not businessmen who are scientists)

ironically, Forbes magazine site offered this cookie before continuing on to the story:

Forbes Thought Of The Day
“ All business proceeds on beliefs, or judgments of probabilities, and not on certainties. ”
— Charles W. Eliot

hahahaha!!

the story

the author reiterates Perry's skepticism, but attempts to validate it with reference to Fred Singer's (A legendary denier of many things) sock puppet outfit "Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change"'s study saying 31 thousand scientists support Perry's position. now *that's* comical.

Originally Posted by Perry

“For us to take a snapshot in time and to say that what is going on in the country today, the climate change that is going on is man’s fault and we need to jeopardize America’s economy, I’m a skeptic about that…and I’m not afraid to say I’m a skeptic about that,”

Paul Ryan, denier *and* conspiracy theorist

Ryan attacked the work of climatologists, suggesting that scientists might even be engaged in a conspiracy of sorts:

James Inhofe, denier and author.

Originally Posted by Inhofe

A perfect example is the entire global warming, climate-change issue, which is an effort to dramatically and hugely increase regulation of each of our lives and business, and to raise our cost of living and taxes. In The Greatest Hoax, Senator James Inhofe will reveal the reasons behind those perpetuating the Hoax of global warming, who is benefitting from the general acceptance of the Hoax and why the premise statements are blatantly and categorically false.

Jeff Sessions, denier and misunderstander of scientific method

(an observation, Sessions' pushback on legislative efforts to restrain the runaway acceleration in CO2 concentrations has been described as "Obama's Agitprop", more evidence of the closemindedness of the deniers)

Originally Posted by Sessions

“A forest fire is no proof of global warming,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Republican. “Give me a break.”

Paul Broun, anti-scientist placeholder (some would say stumbling block) on the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology

Originally Posted by Broun

"God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I don’t believe that the earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says."

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Paul Broun (R-Georgia) says that “Scientists all over this world say that the idea of human-induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community.”

Darrell Issa, that circle fly orbiting Obama's ass angling for a bite

Originally Posted by Issa

One of the difficulties in examining the issue of the climate change and greenhouse gases is that there is a wide range of scientific opinion on this issue and the science community does not agree to the extent of the problem or the critical threshold of when this problem is truly catastrophic.

Lamar Smith, *Chairman* of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology

Originally Posted by Smith

Contrary to the claims of those who want to strictly regulate carbon dioxide emissions and increase the cost of energy for all Americans, there is a great amount of uncertainty associated with climate science. These uncertainties undermine our ability to accurately determine how carbon dioxide has affected the climate in the past. They also limit our understanding of how anthropogenic emissions will affect future warming trends. Further confusing the policy debate, the models that scientists have come to rely on to make climate predictions have greatly overestimated warming. Contrary to model predictions, data released in October from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit show that global temperatures have held steady over the past 15 years, despite rising greenhouse gas emissions.

Among the facts that are clear, however, are that U.S. emissions contribute very little to global concentrations of greenhouse gas, and that even substantial cuts in these emissions are likely to have no effect on temperature. Data from the Energy Information Administration show, for example, that the United States cut carbon dioxide emissions by 12 percent between 2005 and 2012 while global emissions increased by 15 percent over the same period.

they're being called out.

[Undertoad]

That was a nice wall of text, now explain the joke I didn't get.

[Lamplighter]

Today, by coincidence (no statistics to prove it was not causal) there's another Representative on the list...

The Chestertown Spy
8/28/13

Rep. Andy Harris Presented With Climate Change Denier Award

The Maryland League of Conservation Voters presented Maryland’s
U.S. Rep. Andy Harris with a “climate change denier award” on Tuesday
to call attention to what the organization calls the Republican lawmaker’s
“extreme anti-science views.”

The award, part of a nationwide day of action by conservationists to hold
climate change deniers accountable, was bestowed during separate events
at Harris’ offices in Chester and Bel Air.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

That was a nice wall of text, now explain the joke I didn't get.

What joke? He demonstrated how dumb and ignorant people are when a political agenda is more important than reality and the advancement of mankind. Listen to Limbaugh and you too can be dumber than a Cellar monkey.

Wacko extremism is alive and well. Low intelligence is the result. Just another reason why the world needs more moderates.

Only joke is the reasoning used by extremists. Same logic also gleefully massacred 5000 American servicemen uselessly in Iraq. And blamed the victims for no government assistance in New Orleans for five days after Katrina.

[Undertoad]

V said it was a joke, numbnuts

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

V said it was a joke, numbnuts

Wacko extremists actually think they are logical. They loved it when they send 5000 American soldiers to a useless death. You think that is funny?

[Undertoad]

If you can manage it, consider participating in the actual discussion.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

V said it was a joke, numbnuts.

Been drinking again, dic liquor?

[Undertoad]

Of course, the converse is also true: if you can't manage it, don't participate.

[Lamplighter]

... and we wonder why people drop away from the Cellar.

[Clodfobble]

Says the man who's been here for three years, to two men who have been here for 13+ years.

Yes, I can do math--they were both here before this version of the site went live in Jan 2001.

[Undertoad]

In fact would you bear witness, Clod, that The Cellar and Undertoad were both more abrasive AND more popular 5-8 years ago?

[Clodfobble]

Sure. The community waxes and wanes. We ain't NYC right now, but we ain't Detroit either. The only thing that can be said to definitely never work is for one person to try to assert what the community is or should be. Human beings don't work like that, and this place is just crawling with them.