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11-06-2017, 07:44 PM | #16 |
Junior Master Dwellar
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I was a platoon leader.
And I did have a CO who would have yelled because he got his uniform dirty. Missed the point, Bruce. |
11-06-2017, 08:20 PM | #17 |
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Death penalty for all felons.. ok sarcasm noted
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11-06-2017, 08:21 PM | #18 | |
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11-06-2017, 09:54 PM | #19 | |
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OK, platoon leader, you have a man missing and you don't know if he's AWOL or snatched by the enemy, you wouldn't do everything possible to find him? If you were missing wouldn't you want the military to do everything possible to find you? The situation over there wasn't easy to search, big area, hostile people, IEDs, potential snipers everywhere. If he'd been snatched they could easily move him around, so you can't be sure of where you'd already searched. That makes it tough to second guess their actions.
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11-07-2017, 08:12 AM | #20 |
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I don't get the point, does it have something to do with the state of their uniforms?
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11-07-2017, 02:40 PM | #21 |
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OK, Boss, I will try and find a transcript and get back to you.
I was going by CNN's report that seemed to me to describe the horror and desperation of a search that left the poor long suffering captain's uniform filthy dirty. A platoon out for a month seems pretty silly, especially since there was no food or water resupply in that time that just might have included some socks. I have a hunch that in a close knit platoon the feeling was that that silly goose Bergdahl fucked up again, but we better go look. The brass more likely felt that bring him back dead or alive was the best way to save face and rank. |
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11-07-2017, 04:10 PM | #23 |
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11-07-2017, 04:34 PM | #24 |
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11-07-2017, 05:39 PM | #25 |
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I think chain of command attitudes on the recovery of missing combatants, in theaters of operation, has improved since I was on active duty and your service period precedes mine. Contemporary communications technology and greater transparency makes it more personal for commanders as they're more easily contacted by relatives of missing soldiers. Commanders may be more inclined to do right by the missing soldier's family regardless of how the missing soldier was thought of by peers and superiors. Commanders during our time(s) were more insulated from such outside influences.
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11-07-2017, 06:14 PM | #26 |
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Uh, are these the same commanders that have brought us such sterling outcomes wherever they tread?
The chain of command that lost this soldier for five years and hoped to make up for it by imprisoning him for many more? And on the eve of Veterans Day takes away his verteranship? And gives Petraeus a medal of valor for hearing gunfire in the distance? |
11-07-2017, 06:23 PM | #27 |
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Did you suffer some head trauma in nam?
You sound a little out of sync with reality. Actually, you sound like you have all the worldliness and understanding of the military that a PFC or 2LT has. |
11-07-2017, 07:45 PM | #28 |
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Gee, sexobon, I guess you figured out my agenda.
I thought it would take longer to unearth yours. |
11-07-2017, 08:29 PM | #29 |
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Your empathy for Bergdahl gave you away as just another disgruntled veteran. You have every reason to be after the fiasco you endured. I hope that you were drafted and didn't volunteer. Today's military is all volunteer. A deserter has to be a proven latent conscientious objector, diminished capacity; or, a crime victim (incl. being told to carry out unlawful orders) before I'll criticize a chain of command's legal retribution. It's called military ethics. It's likely that you didn't serve long enough; or, in enough positions for yours to become well rounded.
BTW: All that gibberish about dirty uniforms and socks is probably just something some military legal beagle, who never spent a day in the field that wasn't for training, came up with. Whoever wrote the story just didn't know any better and ran with it. Makes no difference to the gist of the case as it's not part of the EEI (that's essential elements of information for you grunts). PS: If you didn't see my post in Cellar META, starting Veterans Day, all honorably discharged veterans can register to use the online military PX. https://www.shopmyexchange.com/ |
11-08-2017, 05:47 PM | #30 |
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One of my favorite books from the Vietnam era is "Military Justice is to Justice as Military Music is to Music."
I still say good on Colonel Jeffery Nance for hitting the rare pure note. And good on me for not having well rounded military ethics. |
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