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ZenGum · 07-22-2009, 09:21 PM

Of course, no one ever bribes a government official in OUR contries, right?

TheMercenary · 07-22-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

Of course, no one ever bribes a government official in OUR contries, right?

I bet it is far less common than it is in those other places. And if it does happen it is done through legalized means, and even those opportunities are being reduced.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

Of course, no one ever bribes a government official in OUR contries, right?

Of course they do. lol If they get caught they get to spend some time in the big house though.

Poor Gordon.

casimendocina · 07-22-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I bet it is far less common than it is in those other places. And if it does happen it is done through legalized means, and even those opportunities are being reduced.

Bribing through legalized means???????????

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 09:46 PM

yeah...legalized bribery is a bit of an oxymoron really isn't it? lol

casimendocina · 07-22-2009, 09:49 PM

That's what I thought.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 09:51 PM

I'm sure Merc will enlighten us.

TheMercenary · 07-22-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by casimendocina

Bribing through legalized means???????????

Sure. Examples are all around you. People grease each other in business every day. Through perks, business arrangements, kickbacks, commissions, etc. It happens in politics all the time EVERY day. I approve your local zoning or building permit, you get me a free membership at the closed golf community. I get your bill passed and listen to you tell me how to vote, I get that huge campaign contribution. I get you free drug samples and you push my drug on your patients. I can't think of some aspect of commercial enterprise that does not have these arrangements.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 10:02 PM

I let you build a mine here...you give me $300 000.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 10:04 PM

Over here, anything like what you've suggested is meant to be reported to parliament as a gift and if it's anything dubious, there will be questions asked.

Our defence minister recently had to resign because of very similar issues, and no one really know if there'd been any impropriety, but it still looked bad enough that, combined with other issues, it put him out of a job.

eta: the minister didn't declare the 'gifts' he'd received which was one of the big stumbling blocks for him.

TheMercenary · 07-22-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Over here, anything like what you've suggested is meant to be reported to parliament as a gift and if it's anything dubious, there will be questions asked.

Our defence minister recently had to resign because of very similar issues, and no one really know if there'd been any impropriety, but it still looked bad enough that, combined with other issues, it put him out of a job.

eta: the minister didn't declare the 'gifts' he'd received which was one of the big stumbling blocks for him.

We have had plenty of the same issues. I think it is less common than it was even 10 years ago but I am sure it still happens. Most recently Ted Stevens from Alaska was on trial for it. In the end he got a new house and really got off pretty easy, but lost his long running powerful seat in Congress. There are thousands of other examples.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 10:11 PM

For sure there are. I've no doubt politicians over here get kickbacks we never find out about too, but as you say, I think it happens less frequently.

It's still not legalized bribery though.

TheMercenary · 07-22-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

For sure there are. I've no doubt politicians over here get kickbacks we never find out about too, but as you say, I think it happens less frequently.

It's still not legalized bribery though.

Yea, those would still be in the illegal category. But there are plenty of examples where it is legal, for example the use of campaign contributions, perfectly legal, perfectly bribery.

Aliantha · 07-22-2009, 10:18 PM

OK, I'll give you that one.

Got any more?

TheMercenary · 07-22-2009, 10:22 PM

Drug manufactures giving free meds to docs to use for give aways while at the same time expecting them to buy inventory and prescribe the drug they are pushing at the office. I see this all the time. Oh and they bring the office lunch 2 times a month. (about 45 people).

Or equipment manufactures sending people to conferences when they buy their stuff, and these are golfing conferences or in really expensive resort areas.

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ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Of course, no one ever bribes a government official in OUR contries, right? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm sure Merc will enlighten us. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I let you build a mine here...you give me $300 000. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2009, 10:04 PM	#25
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Over here, anything like what you've suggested is meant to be reported to parliament as a gift and if it's anything dubious, there will be questions asked. Our defence minister recently had to resign because of very similar issues, and no one really know if there'd been any impropriety, but it still looked bad enough that, combined with other issues, it put him out of a job. eta: the minister didn't declare the 'gifts' he'd received which was one of the big stumbling blocks for him. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2009, 09:49 PM	#21
casimendocina Professor Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,622	That's what I thought.

07-22-2009, 10:11 PM	#27
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	For sure there are. I've no doubt politicians over here get kickbacks we never find out about too, but as you say, I think it happens less frequently. It's still not legalized bribery though. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2009, 10:18 PM	#29
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	OK, I'll give you that one. Got any more? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-22-2009, 10:22 PM	#30
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Drug manufactures giving free meds to docs to use for give aways while at the same time expecting them to buy inventory and prescribe the drug they are pushing at the office. I see this all the time. Oh and they bring the office lunch 2 times a month. (about 45 people). Or equipment manufactures sending people to conferences when they buy their stuff, and these are golfing conferences or in really expensive resort areas. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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