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God plays an active role in my life | 12 | 25.00% | |
God merely watches from a distance | 10 | 20.83% | |
I want to believe, but have found no evidence of God | 10 | 20.83% | |
There is no God | 12 | 25.00% | |
Only fools could believe in God | 4 | 8.33% | |
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02-17-2005, 05:09 PM | #16 | |
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Bravo!
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I did (and sometimes still do) consider if what I saw was a “coincidence”, but I concluded that it wasn’t. A choice… Questions are an integral, necessary part of the equation. Does a clock have “faith” in 3:15 pm? No, it’s just what happens every day on its way ‘round the dial. My questions enhance the value and importance of my faith. Faith and love—wow, I can add nothing to improve the beauty, clarity and truth of these words. Masterful, Lookout123.
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02-17-2005, 05:23 PM | #17 |
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labrat - lookout is right, you can teach 'christian' values without adding all the crappy christianity stuff on top, hell you can teach the 10 commandments without pointing out some people think they was written on rock by god 2000 odd years ago. The important thing is the values, not the source.
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02-17-2005, 05:47 PM | #18 |
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I certainly believe there is some sort of God, and I suppose I would consider myself to be agnostic. I was raised Catholic (12 years of Catholic school) but remember thinking at an early age that the Bible had lots of interesting stories, but how do we know they're true? (I believe I even said this out loud once, much to the dismay of my mother who never really gave me a good answer). I've seen too many good things in the world to disbelieve in a God completely, but it seems as I get older that I am distancing myself further and further from organized religion and the concept of a "fixed" God (sorry, I don't know the correct terminology). I HATE IT when people try to force their beliefs and religion on me, and my guess is that this is a reaction to all the years of having Catholic dogma forced down my throat. So regarding the kids--I think it's healthy to expose them to different beliefs, but certainly don't MAKE them believe what you believe. It's only gonna backfire on ya.
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02-17-2005, 05:55 PM | #19 | ||
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Half credit, jag
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Don't you remember when Mama told you "No!" and that was the end of the conversation? Then the answer became "Because I said so." and that sufficed for a while. Eventually, the yearning to know why was no longer satisfied with such an answer. As my knowledge of the range of the sphere of influence my actions increased, as I began to be able to realize the longer term consequences of my actions, just relying on "Because it's a good idea" as the foundation to my values became less and less reliable. Sometimes there was conflict. Conflict that demanded that one of the sides must change. Was the behavior wrong or was it not a "good idea"? That's when blind or limited understanding became insufficient. I needed a larger frame of reference. Where were these ideas coming from? The answer to that question necessarily lies beyond the values themselves, and once asked in earnest, can never be unasked. Where that path leads will vary from person to person, and for me, it led to God. It was not a short, easy or direct journey. Nor is it anywhere near over. But I do understand more than I did before. I'm more able than I used to be, and still questions and challenges lie before me. Thankfully, I have more tools to help me deal with these new obstacles.
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02-17-2005, 06:00 PM | #20 |
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I respect, and occasionally envy, the faith so many seem to hold, but I cannot bring myself to believe in this thing you call God. I believe in words and thoughts and grass and long lazy afternoons. I feel no need to look beyond the every day. This is life. I'm not living here for something greater. I am living here to live here. There is nothing else, and there need be nothing else, but today, and tomorrow, and the memory of yesterday.
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02-17-2005, 06:02 PM | #21 |
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I can't respond, as this is clearly a monotheistically oriented poll...
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02-17-2005, 06:09 PM | #22 |
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What would I put if I believe in a higher force, but don't necessarily view it as "god"?
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02-17-2005, 06:10 PM | #23 |
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And now, the serious answer from me.
You, me, stuff...all are the manifestation of deity. We are made of the same fabric as the rest of the universe. We possess all of the energy that flows through the universe, and we can use it...if we believe in ourselves and our relation to the All. Call it prayer, call it magick, call it whatever you wish...the conscious accumulation and channeling of the energy that is available to you flowing freely through the All is at the core of the concept of deity. It is the stuff of Creation, of the physical, of the invisible. You *are* God...deal with it.
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02-17-2005, 06:12 PM | #24 | |
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02-17-2005, 06:15 PM | #25 | |
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02-17-2005, 06:30 PM | #26 | |||
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and an equally serious reflection on Els answer
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02-17-2005, 06:30 PM | #27 | |
I think this line's mostly filler.
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02-17-2005, 07:06 PM | #30 |
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I do not believe there is some sort of personal Almighty "who sees the sparrow fall." If this were the case, such an entity would be classified as a devil, rather than "God."
As a scientist, I have yet to see anything which proves the existance or non-existance of God. Every argument I have ever heard on the subject at last relies on "It's turtles all the way down." I have had events occur in my life that had a probability of happening of about .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001%, and I've had such things happen to me more than twice but less than ten times in my life. These things intrigued me when they happened and continue to intrigue me now. Were they result of some God-like force? I am skeptical of this, but open to further information should any deity passing by in the neighborhood be willing to dispense it. (I don't know what catagory that places me in for the poll, so I didn't answer it).
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