Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Hippikos]

As they said, all the death were actors and the destroyed buildings probably had gas leaks. UT, could you pls find any blog to prove that?

Also these cluster bombs stories are a hoax, they're just tennis balls for the kids to play with.

Actually these Hezbollywood stories reminds me of all the holocaust denial websites.

[Ibby]

The difference?

Hezbollah (and associated anti-israel groups), as a terrorist organization, has the goal, not of killing every enemy, but of pressuring the enemy into surrendering... or tricking/persuading every neutral party into pressuring the enemy into surrender.

[Undertoad]

Actually these Hezbollywood stories reminds me of all the holocaust denial websites.

The ones you started, or just the ones you regularly visit?

[xoxoxoBruce]

You don't suppose Karl Rove has flipped do you? He's been pretty low profile lately and this Islamic spin machine resembles his work.

[Hippikos]

The ones you started, or just the ones you regularly visit?

Innuendo is not an answer to my questions UT. Denial is denial. The pattern is obvious. I'm looking forward to your blogsites refuting the Lebanon destruction.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Innuendo is not an answer to my questions UT. Denial is denial. The pattern is obvious. I'm looking forward to your blogsites refuting the Lebanon destruction.

You're completely right, denial is denial. The thing is, nobody's denying that lebanon's getting (was getting) pummelled. People ARE exposing hisballah's fake pictures and staged photo ops. The fact that hisballah is faking and staging DOES detract from the enormity of the destruction, because since so many fakes have been exposed, people are starting to view all photos from the conflict suspiciously. Yes, shit is (was) happening. But that doesn't mean hisballah isn't faking and staging pictures. The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Ibram

You're completely right, denial is denial. The thing is, nobody's denying that lebanon's getting (was getting) pummelled. People ARE exposing hisballah's fake pictures and staged photo ops. The fact that hisballah is faking and staging DOES detract from the enormity of the destruction, because since so many fakes have been exposed, people are starting to view all photos from the conflict suspiciously. Yes, shit is (was) happening. But that doesn't mean hisballah isn't faking and staging pictures. The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

I would add that the shit that was happening to Lebanon was entirely because Hezbollah was hiding behind women and children in residential neighborhoods. That proves they are cowards.

The faked photos prove they are liars.

I'm not a fan of Israel's disproportionate response to having two men captured, but Hezbollah is far worse than Israel.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Ibram

The task is to seperate the fakes from the reality.

The task: view the big picture. Do not be sidetracked - as UT would have us all do - by a staged or suspect picture. Reality is that Israelis attacked all of Lebanon including Red Cross and Red Crescent convoys. Anyone anywhere in Lebanon was threatened by Israeli attack - even in Akkar province. Notice how UT ignores that post which contradicts his speculations. A post that addresses the big picture; is ignored by hyping a faked picture as proof that Israelis wear white.

Pathetic leadership from Olmert’s government should have been obvious to every Israeli weeks ago. Those looking at a big picture would have discussed same here in The Cellar. Israelis citizens are only just starting to question; returning troops reporting poor strategic decision making. So poor that even infantryman knew it. So pathetic that Israel even attacked 90% of Lebanon that was not Hezbollah as if that would liberate two kidnapped soldiers. Oh. We forgot about those soldiers – and we forget reasons why Hezbollah exists. This again because we let minutia sidetrack us. Minuta and myths such as Hezbollah want to kill Americans AND photoshopped pictures. Clearly all Arabs are evil – when we ignore facts from the big picture.

An agenda justified by minutia; created because reality – the big picture – is completely ignored. Israeli attacked all of Lebanon – for reasons that just don’t make sense and that may bring back extremist Likud.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Fox News' Brit Hume mentioned that Fox found the hole in the middle of the cross to have been previously occupied by a roof vent.

And ol' tw got caught with his anti-Semite pants down, did he? Glee. One is shocked, shocked.

Headsplice: it's an okay recounting of the Left's anti-Swiftie propaganda effort, but something is conspicuous by its absence: any indication that anybody besides John Kerry processed those Purple Heart Citations. Vapor-cites, no? Glossed over, at any rate. It's not going to persuade those skeptical of Kerry, and really suffices only for people who spell "Republican" as D-E-V-I-L.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

but something is conspicuous by its absence: any indication that anybody besides John Kerry processed those Purple Heart Citations.

That's because that has never been in question. It's not worth refuting something that was never even raised.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Fox News' Brit Hume mentioned that Fox found the hole in the middle of the cross to have been previously occupied by a roof vent.

We now know that UG does not rewrite history when it is convenient. Apparently someone else does it for him.

Meanwhile, Red Cross and Red Crescent workers who were shot at by Israeli planes are also lying? That is UT's bottom line. Israelis wearing white yarmulke would not do that. Therefore UT searched extensively for counterfeit pictures - always counterfeited by evil Arabs.

Next question is whether cluster bombs were used on civilian populations in hundreds of locations – or will we have another Valerie Plame incident where honest investigators instead are accused. BTW, this is how McCarthyism started - where honest people are attacked by extremists. Where many citizens blindly look for proof of their opinons rather than learn realities. A Nixonian crime spun into innocence and the majority of Americans back then denied it repeatedly. Amazing. George Jr can even promote torture and no one cares. This is how great powers become pariah. Step by step the government becomes more like UG – history routinely rewritten when convenient.

[DanaC]

Dana, just where do you come off sneering and smartassing? Have you ever lived in a totalitarian society, sister? I have. I didn't like it, and count myself fortunate that I had the option to quit. The lesson it taught me was that while there are places for totalitarian organizations within a society -- armies, whose totalitarian organization permits them to function even when heavily damaged -- that it is absolutely no way to organize a nation that's worth living in.

Too many people around here have never even tried to discover this for themselves. The least you could bloody do is reread 1984.

First off brother I don't need to live in a totalitarian society in order to have a viewpoint. Secondly, I don't recall ever advocating a totalitarian society as a good place to live think you may be referring to my wanting not to live in a totalitarian world where only American values were deemed acceptable. And last but not least, I've read 1984 very recently thankyou. I could recite much of it to you verbatim. Animal Farm too. I'm a huge George Orwell fan. Might I remind you that it was a piece of fiction. Well written an with some very good points to make, but fiction nonetheless.

Of course I suspect old Georgey Boy may well have recognised his tale in our current permanent enemy and permanent war. We have always been at war with Saddam. We have always been at war with Islam. Giving up civil liberties will protect our freedom. The victim is the perpetrator. bb speak malreported Iraq rectify. Miniplenty malquoted chocolate rectify. Welcome to new speak.

[Undertoad]

{UT}who insists Israelis were not attacking any ambulances.

See how tw has characterized what I've presented; apply that to how tw has characterized the entire situation.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

See how tw has characterized what I've presented; apply that to how tw has characterized the entire situation.

A logical response is to offer corrections. Where is the fault? And why do you routinely avoid the big picture? Israel attacked all of Lebanon for mysterious and confused reasons. Israeli leadership was so confused and indecisive that Olmert's government may fall.

Instead UT posts examples of propaganda. My goodness. They advertised hair tonic on TV and it was a lie. That clearly makes Israel's actions irrelevant? A picture was photoshopped. That means those Red Cross and Red Crescent testimonies of being attacked are lies?

UT - why do you post in black and white? Why do Israelis in your world always wear white? Characterize? Show me where you once acknowledge, for example, the Israeli arranged massacre of 5000 Palestinian women and children?

[Hippikos]

Nasrallah has stated that he was completely surprised by the reaction of Israel to the kidnapping of the 2 soldiers. In fact if he knew he would have never done it. So the conspiracy of Iran being behind the attack is utter bull and the usual spin neocons want to give it on their road to Tehran.

Negotiation through Italy is now taken place for the exchange of the 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers and Lebanese prisoners. Back to basics again.

Result of Olmerts and Peretz ridiculous, disproportional and irressponsible pre-emptive war?

1) The orginial trade of prisoners will take place aftr all (also in Gaza).
2) Lebanon is bombed back to stone age
3) More than 1000 Lebanese and 47 Israeli civilians die
4) Nasrallah is da man in the ME now and winning the hearts of the Lebanese
5) The Cedar revolution is in shedders
6) Olmert and Peretz may well fear for their position
7) Again, we see here another failure of a neocon pre-emptive war