What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[classicman]

Unarmed Predator drones flying along border
No not the Pakistani borders...

EL PASO -- Unarmed Predator drones are now flying along part of the Texas-Mexico border, an official confirmed Saturday.

A member of Democratic Rep. Silvestre Reyes' office said the flights began earlier last week.

The Federal Aviation Administration had authorized the flights to begin on June 1.

Predators, known for deadly strikes against insurgents in the mountains of Pakistan, can provide detailed images of ground targets from high altitude. Texas lawmakers have said they are convinced the drones will help secure the increasingly violent Southwest border.

The new permit authorizes drones to fly between Fort Huachuca, Ariz., and Big Bend National Park. Lawmakers have asked the FAA to approve flights out of Corpus Christi that would cover the rest of the Texas border and the Gulf of Mexico coastline.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, two weeks ago introduced a bill that would pay for at least six new drone systems and hire pilots to bolster coverage of the entire 2,000-mile Southwest border.

"We must employ state-of-the-art border monitoring and security techniques," Hutchison said in a statement.

Hutchison said that Customs and Border Protection officials told her only 700 miles of the border is under "effective control." The rest of the border becomes an open door for drug cartels, arms dealers, human traffickers and terrorists, she said.

Texas lawmakers have also asked that the FAA to create a faster way of processing applications for new flights.

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[Shawnee123]

Seriously. We're so goddammed petrified of terrorists, but we're worried about those folks who are sneaking over here to clean our hotel rooms.

Target any nationality in New York City, call it part of the war on terror, and there will be serious anger and consequences I don't want to ponder.

You know why? Terrorism and power and money are all related, mostly because we want to lie naked in oil all goddam day. (coughBushcough) The Mexican people have little to no say in anything, because they don't have all the money.

Words of Wisdom

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Words of Wisdom

Words of partisan bullshit.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Words of partisan bullshit.

I would suggest the "words of wisdom" video is political humor as opposed to the partisan bullshit of the AZ governor who has made unsubstantiated claims about the the so-called increase in violent crime that threatens the safety of AZ citizens (despite the fact that violent crime is down statewide and in border cities/counties)?

Or her false claim that that the federal government has done little or nothing to deport illegal immigrants (despite the fact that federal spending has increased substantially as have deportations and the flow of illegals coming into the country is at its lowest point in 10 years)?

IMO, the law may be good partisan politics for an unelected governor,who until she signed the law, had dismal poll ratings and jumped onto a hot button issue that the majority (ie White AZ) supports....but it is terrible public policy.

It is discriminatory....it will adversely impact community policy and the level of trust between police and the Hispanic community...and it will do absolutely nothing to secure the border.

It may get her elected to a full term...thats the bottom line.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

IMO, the law ... a hot button issue that the majority (ie White AZ) supports....but it is terrible public policy.

Cite please.

It is discriminatory....

Prove it.

Originally Posted by classicman

Cite please.

Prove it.

You first

Prove that ALL those constitutional experts, local elected officials and law enforcement officials who oppose the law do so out of political or financial interests, as you stated....and not out of concern about discrimination or concern that the law will not only be ineffective, but counter-productive, creating a greater divide between law enforcement and the Hispanic community.

But as I posted earlier... IMO, any law that allows race to be a factor in determining "reasonable suspicion" is discriminatory...particularly when one race will obviously be targeted more than others....unless of course, you expect AZ cops to be looking for illegal Canadians or Haitians.

I also said, ultimately, the courts should make that legal determination.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Redux

that the majority (ie White AZ) supports....but it is terrible public policy.

You might be seeing a thinking of a different Arizona, perhaps? The one I live in hardly has a white majority.

Originally Posted by lookout123

You might be seeing a thinking of a different Arizona, perhaps? The one I live in hardly has a white majority.

According to census figures, AZ is majority white, non-Hispanic:

White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2008 58.4%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2008 (b) 30.1%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/04000.html

Or:
According to the 2005-2007 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, White Americans made up 76.4% of Arizona's population; of which 59.6% were non-Hispanic whites. Blacks or African Americans made up 3.4% of Arizona's population; of which 3.3% were non-Hispanic blacks. American Indians made up 4.5% of the state's population; of which 4.1% were non-Hispanic. Asian Americans made up 2.3% of the state's population. Pacific Islander Americans made up 0.1% of the state's population. Individuals from some other race made up 10.8% of the state's population; of which 0.2% were non-Hispanic. Individuals from two or more races made up 2.4% of the state's population; of which 1.4% were non-Hispanic. In addition, Hispanics and Latinos made up 29.0% of Arizona's population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Arizona

Even factoring in an estimated 1/2 million illegals....it wont change the fact that AZ is majority White, non-Hispanic.

And the polls on the AZ law are equally divided by race.

[lookout123]

I just got back from Mexico. Apparently they still like my money there. All is well.

[classicman]

Insult, deny and deflect... well done.

Originally Posted by classicman

Insult, deny and deflect... well done.

Fuck off....you cant handle the truth.

But you are great at accusing others of "insult, deny and deflect" while refusing to respond to similar questions posed to you regarding your posts.

Why do you keep deflecting this question: Why are you so biased against local elected officials and law enforcement officials who oppose the law or have concerns about its constitutionality to suggest that they are ALL politically or financially motivated?

Now go stand in the corner and recite the Pledge of Allegiance to demonstrate what a true American you are.

[classicman]

*Note* Nice edit AGAIN after the reply. I guess anyone responding to you will have to quote your original post in its entirety so that your changes after their reply will be, how did you put it... transparent. You do that quite often.

Deal with it any way you like, asshole.

[Shawnee123]

And you've gone too far
But you know it don't matter anyway.
You can rely on your old man's money...



I knew I liked Hall & Oates.

The Arizona Diamondbacks announced that Daryl Hall and John Oates have canceled their post-game concert at Chase Field that had been scheduled to follow a game against the Dodgers on July 2.

Hall and Oates issued the following statement:

"In addition to our personal convictions, we are standing in solidarity with the music community in our boycott of performing in Arizona at this time. We would like to emphasize that this has nothing to do with the management of the Arizona Diamondbacks, who have been professional and cooperative throughout our dealings with them. This is our response to a very specific action of the state."