Wild West Politics?

[glatt]

I think he was despised by Republicans because he was a Democrat.

[Lamplighter]

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

I think he was despised by Republicans because he was a Democrat.

Its all about the economy stupid. Clinton was spot on. Carter did something that would hurt everyone in the short term, be necessary for the long term, and would cost him the office. He (and Volker) pushed interest rates to above 20%. We literally had to punish all Americans in 1978 so pay for what Nixon did in 1968 and 1970. Ford, at first, wanted to do it. But backed down - not enough backbone. Carter did it. It so hurt all Americans (and was absolutely necessary) that lesser event such as an energy crisis, a failed rescue attempt, decreasing quality in American products as engineers were no longer doing the designing, no jobs, etc were then also blamed on Carter.

[Nirvana]

In contemporary life, humility is more important than ever. The more successful we become, both as individuals and as a family, through our development of science and technology, the more essential it becomes to preserve humility. For the greater our material achievements, the more vulnerable we become to pride and arrogance.
The Dalai Lama

[Shawnee123]

Carter was just too damn nice and got chewed up and spit out by the less-than-nice. I think he's shown since what a wonderful diplomat he is: he just isn't evil enough to make it in Hollywood....er, um, I mean Washington.

[glatt]

Think about it, in your lifetime, is there a Democrat president that the Republicans didn't hate?

You can reverse the question too, but I don't think many Democrats hated Ford or Bush 1. Nixon was hated, Reagan was hated, Shrub was hated. But not Bush 1 and Ford.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by glatt

Think about it, in your lifetime, is there a Democrat president that the Republicans didn't hate?

You can reverse the question too, but I don't think many Democrats hated Ford or Bush 1. Nixon was hated, Reagan was hated, Shrub was hated. But not Bush 1 and Ford.

Ummmm. In my lifetime, Eisenhower was loved by everyone.
(OK, there was some ambiguity about which party he, himself, favored)

[tw]

Originally Posted by glatt

You can reverse the question too, but I don't think many Democrats hated Ford or Bush 1. Nixon was hated, Reagan was hated,

Reagan was not hated. He and Democats routinely worked deals together.

[Shawnee123]

She's so mean but I don't care
I love her eyes and her wild wild hair
dance to the beat that we love best
heading for the nineties
living in the wild wild west
the wild wild west

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

... But please watch at least the portion of the show starting around
the 1:15 minute mark and up through this man's very last remark
about who he was prepare to kill. ...

Lamp,

There are moral, ethical, and even liability concerns surrounding use of force and its escalation along the spectrum of force continuum up to and including the use of deadly force. Even within lawful parameters there's personal flexibility. I'll use deadly force to save my own life. I'll use deadly force to save the lives of those who would use it to save themselves regardless of whether or not they would use it to save me. I'll use it to save those who lack the legal capacity to make that decision for themselves (e.g. children, mentally impaired, and those who are incapacitated and unresponsive). When these variables are unknown, I choose to err on the side of saving their lives as my personal experience is that people generally want to live rather than die. I'll take my chances that they won't change their minds afterwards to be PC, make money; or, gain fame. Others who are capable of intervention may not choose this course of action and that's just fine with me. To each his own, live and let live or live and let die, no one lives forever.

That said, I won't knowingly intervene to save those who are their own responsible party and wouldn't use deadly force to save themselves. I won't intervene to save those capable of saving themselves, even if they would want me save them, if they refuse to first possess an available means with which to save themselves. I won't intervene on behalf of someone who's not their own responsible party if the person legally responsible for them tells me not to.

The rationale for my decisions is too complex to regurgitate here; however, I will say that my personal code of conduct for the use of deadly force is very similar to what I would do under Good Samaritan laws to save life through medical intervention since I'm skilled in trauma management. Also beyond the scope of this post is how the intrinsic capabilities (e.g. physical, mental, and skill sets) of specific individuals factor into a use of force intervention decision. They are more situation oriented.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I won't intervene to save those capable of saving themselves, even if they would want me save them, if they refuse to first possess an available means with which to save themselves.

Can you give me an example of this scenario? A hypothetical situation?

I'm imagining all sorts of things, like you standing on a dock when someone who never bothered to learn to swim falls in, and they are in need of rescuing but you let them drown. Rather than let my imagination run wild, can you give an example of this? I know we're talking about guns. Is it that you wouldn't save an unarmed person because they should have been armed?

[HungLikeJesus]

Sexobon saves.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by glatt

...Rather than let my imagination run wild ...

I'd rather let your imagination run wild. Please post more of your imaginings here for evaluation.

[glatt]

Sure. I'll get right on it.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Carter was just too damn nice and got chewed up and spit out by the less-than-nice. I think he's shown since what a wonderful diplomat he is: he just isn't evil enough to make it in Hollywood....er, um, I mean Washington.

I have heard it said that Jimmy Carter is the only person to have used the office of President of the United States as a stepping stone to greatness.