Mental Nuts-- Can You Crack 'em? - Page 17

glatt · 12-30-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

And I'm sorry for losing it earlier.

It's all good. I understand what you are saying about the skwerl. I just have a different perspective.

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Originally Posted by BigV

If I walk around your house when you're home, have I circled your house? Have I circled you? In what way does it matter how you're moving inside your house as I circle it with respect to my circling you?

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HungLikeJesus · 12-30-2011, 05:54 PM

As Deming would say, we can't agree on an answer without appropriate operational definitions.

infinite monkey · 12-30-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

As Deming would say, we can't agree on an answer without appropriate operational definitions.

I get so excited when you get all QA on me.

BigV · 12-30-2011, 05:56 PM

Ok, fair enough.

What does it mean to circle a tree? To you, that is.

footfootfoot · 12-30-2011, 08:08 PM

And always keeps the tree between himself and the hunter

This is the crucial bit of information.

Consider a bicycle wheel for example. The hole in the rim for the valve stem is opposite the seam of the rim. The wheel revolves around the axle. The valve stem and seam each go around the axle every revolution. They do not go around each other. They do go around the position the other previously occupied however. Compare this to a ratchet wrench. The socket is the axis, the handle goes around the axis, but the handle does not go around itself.
The squirrel always keeps the tree between himself and the hunter. The tree is the axis, the squirrel is the seam on the rim and the hunter is the valve stem.

No, the hunter does not walk around his gun. His gun is not stationary, it moves with him. He may walk around the location his gun used to be, but that is not the same as walking around his gun. Unless he has one of those special mag-lev guns that just hangs in mid air while you circumambulate around it. Otherwise, if it is a normal gun then he will be taking it with him when he walks around the tree.

footfootfoot · 12-30-2011, 08:33 PM

FFS here's the next one: (I have updated it so you modern "new math" educated folks can understand it.

Setting aside their differences, Classicman and Infinite Monkey pool their money and invest in some very tiny houses on very tiny lots in a very sketchy neighborhood.
Classic invests $5000. and Infi invests $3000 and they buy three identical houses. Classic and Infi each choose a home for them own selfs. They then sell the remaining house to some complete rube for $8000. How should they divvy the cash?

Clodfobble · 12-30-2011, 09:28 PM

Classic owns 5/8ths of the company stock, Infi owns 3/8ths. So the dividends go 5/8ths to Classic ($5,000) and 3/8ths to Infi ($3,000.)

It should also be noted that when they sell Infi's house, she will owe 5/8ths of those proceeds to Classic as well.

monster · 12-30-2011, 11:05 PM

Is the understanding that they are each to own their own house after the transaction? If so, they should divide the money as clod says then infi should give classic $2,000 so he will end up with $7,000 and a house and she will end up with $1000 and a house (he owns 5/8 of her shouse, she owns 3/8 of his, assume all three houses worth 8,000 at that time, so the difference is 2/8)

But that was too easy so it must be wrong.

footfootfoot · 12-31-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by monster

Is the understanding that they are each to own their own house after the transaction? If so, they should divide the money as clod says then infi should give classic $2,000 so he will end up with $7,000 and a house and she will end up with $1000 and a house (he owns 5/8 of her shouse, she owns 3/8 of his, assume all three houses worth 8,000 at that time, so the difference is 2/8)

But that was too easy so it must be wrong.

You are wrong; your answer was right.
You are wrong about being wrong so your answer is correct.

And now for something completely different:

jimhelm · 12-30-2011, 11:47 PM

You forgot to factor in the divorce attorneys cut. They both get zilch.

classicman · 12-30-2011, 11:54 PM

I get all the money - That way I 'll have a down payment on a new Maxima.

BigV · 12-31-2011, 11:23 AM

1.111111111111 bushels

total minus 10 percent equals 90 percent.

90 percent (what the miller gave the customer) equals one bushel.

.9*total = 1 bushel

(.9*total)/.9 = (1 bushel)/.9

total == 1.11111111111 bushels

footfootfoot · 12-31-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

1.111111111111 bushels

total minus 10 percent equals 90 percent.

90 percent (what the miller gave the customer) equals one bushel.

.9*total = 1 bushel

(.9*total)/.9 = (1 bushel)/.9

total == 1.11111111111 bushels

please state your answer as a fraction in order to claim your point for the winning answer.

Clodfobble · 12-31-2011, 02:05 PM

Oh no, I think we've established that when you are giving part of something to someone, the answer is to borrow some extra so you don't have to work in decimals.

footfootfoot · 12-31-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Oh no, I think we've established that when you are giving part of something to someone, the answer is to borrow some extra so you don't have to work in decimals.

Wise ass.
When you are dividing an entire living creature that may be the case as a fractional piece of livestock is a) of limited value and b) more than likely no longer living and therefore no longer livestock.

Bushels of grain can be divided fractionally so there is no need to borrow anything. However it is a pain in the ass to measure out 1/9 of a bushel.

1/9 of 8 gallons is .888888888888889 gallons...

12-30-2011, 05:54 PM	#2
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	As Deming would say, we can't agree on an answer without appropriate operational definitions. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

12-30-2011, 05:56 PM	#4
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Ok, fair enough. What does it mean to circle a tree? To you, that is. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-30-2011, 08:08 PM	#5
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	*And always keeps the tree between himself and the hunter* This is the crucial bit of information. Consider a bicycle wheel for example. The hole in the rim for the valve stem is opposite the seam of the rim. The wheel revolves around the axle. The valve stem and seam each go around the axle every revolution. They do not go around each other. They do go around the position the other previously occupied however. Compare this to a ratchet wrench. The socket is the axis, the handle goes around the axis, but the handle does not go around itself. *The squirrel always keeps the tree between himself and the hunter.* The tree is the axis, the squirrel is the seam on the rim and the hunter is the valve stem. No, the hunter does not walk around his gun. His gun is not stationary, it moves with him. He may walk around the location his gun used to be, but that is not the same as walking around his gun. Unless he has one of those special mag-lev guns that just hangs in mid air while you circumambulate around it. Otherwise, if it is a normal gun then he will be taking it with him when he walks around the tree. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

12-30-2011, 08:33 PM	#6
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	FFS here's the next one: (I have updated it so you modern "new math" educated folks can understand it. Setting aside their differences, Classicman and Infinite Monkey pool their money and invest in some very tiny houses on very tiny lots in a very sketchy neighborhood. Classic invests $5000. and Infi invests $3000 and they buy three identical houses. Classic and Infi each choose a home for them own selfs. They then sell the remaining house to some complete rube for $8000. How should they divvy the cash? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

12-30-2011, 09:28 PM	#7
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Classic owns 5/8ths of the company stock, Infi owns 3/8ths. So the dividends go 5/8ths to Classic ($5,000) and 3/8ths to Infi ($3,000.) It should also be noted that when they sell Infi's house, she will owe 5/8ths of those proceeds to Classic as well. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

12-30-2011, 11:05 PM	#8
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Is the understanding that they are each to own their own house after the transaction? If so, they should divide the money as clod says then infi should give classic $2,000 so he will end up with $7,000 and a house and she will end up with $1000 and a house (he owns 5/8 of her shouse, she owns 3/8 of his, assume all three houses worth 8,000 at that time, so the difference is 2/8) But that was too easy so it must be wrong. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-30-2011, 11:47 PM	#10
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	You forgot to factor in the divorce attorneys cut. They both get zilch. __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

12-30-2011, 11:54 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I get all the money - That way I 'll have a down payment on a new Maxima. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-31-2011, 11:23 AM	#12
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	1.111111111111 bushels total minus 10 percent equals 90 percent. 90 percent (what the miller gave the customer) equals one bushel. .9total = 1 bushel (.9total)/.9 = (1 bushel)/.9 total == 1.11111111111 bushels __________________ Be Just and Fear Not. Last edited by BigV; 12-31-2011 at 11:29 AM.

12-31-2011, 02:05 PM	#14
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Oh no, I think we've established that when you are giving part of something to someone, the answer is to borrow some extra so you don't have to work in decimals. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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