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We have to go back, Kate!
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Not half so much as the bloody spelling. I don't know why we put up with, I really don't.
What we need is a visionary leader.
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Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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We need tough legislation. And a mascot. How about the Langwage Bare...he goes from school to school teaching the children to not learn spelling.
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Wouldn't that be the langwij ber?
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Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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Yabbut, that looks too much like Lager Beer...and you know how those kids are.
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I have the book and am now digesting it. er so to speak.
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I was originally skeptical that the book addressed the majority of the studies, but in fact all but one of the MMR studies I mentioned are footnotes 12-26. However, this is far from a "systematic debunking". And (35) is not a peer-reviewed article, and references PDD, not autism. And two of the footnotes (31 and 32) are actually the same reference. So, we have 15 footnotes referencing studies which find no MMR-autism link, and 7 footnotes that criticize the studies. So I would say he has listed strong criticisms of 2 studies, and given one unpersuasive sentence vaguely dismissing the other 15. (I would not use the term "debunking" at all in the context of scientific investigation. It's a highly biased and imprecise word.) So we don't know yet - to really know, what I'd need is the text of the cites. Was there someone willing to retrieve studies for us? |
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I believe that was Mercenary.
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How many could you do Merc? We have here roughly 15-20 cites... I'm particularly interested in BMJ 2001 Jul;323(7305):163-4 and N Engl J Med. 2003 Mar 6;348(10):951-4
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trying hard to be a better person
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Isn't Merc on vacation at the moment?
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I think Pie has access to some medical studies, but I don't know if it's all of them.
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I was discussing this with my mom the other day, and her take on it was, "Why won't they just admit there were mistakes made and move on? Hiding something only makes it worse in the long run." What I had to explain to her is the very real financial side of it--not from the pharmaceutical companies' perspective, from the government's. Current law says that anyone damaged by a vaccine is entitled to compensation. This fund was set up from the very beginning, because they always knew there would be a very small number of people who would have complications from these shots they were mandating--anything from triggering recognized genetic conditions (as opposed to triggering autism, which is not recognized in this fashion yet) to a staph infection at the injection site spreading and causing significant damage. The minute they acknowledge that vaccines can exacerbate autism, nevermind trigger it, they are opening themselves to quite literally billions of dollars in litigation. Here is what is going to happen: the outcry will slowly but surely grow until, just like with thimerosal, another few Congressmen have themselves autistic grandchildren. And then Congress will pass a law requiring the CDC to moderate the vaccination schedule, regardless of what the CDC says its studies have found. The CDC will shrug and comply, insisting all the way that there is no link. Autism rates will go down, research will be able to grow without the political baggage because the decision's already been made, and in another 30 years they will be comfortable saying perhaps there was a link after all. By that point we will know so much more about treatment and recovery, and the current autistic population will have aged so much that they will not be on the hook for nearly as much money anymore. |
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Meanwhile the news over here is that they are considering making MMR vaccine a requirement for registering with a school.
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Really really a requirement, or just a "requirement" like it is over here, where every school official will tell you it is definitely a legal requirement, except that's a total lie and you can file an exemption form and no one can do anything about it?
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We have to go back, Kate!
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Still at the discussion stage, but they're looking at making it a legal requirement for kids to be vaccinated before starting school, and for schools to have to check before admitting a child.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8080681.stm
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