I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

[glatt]

Originally Posted by BigV

I don't really think that how he conducts his personal affairs is important to his quality as a leader. I *DO* think how he responds to such questions is telling

Lies are not OK. He sleeps around? I don't care. He lies about sleeping around? I do care.

[Lamplighter]

My take on Cain's situation is that from the first allegation,
he decided (on PR advice ?) to adopt a campaign strategy of:
"Deny, Deny, Deny..."

Now, he is stuck with it, no matter what the truth may be.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

"Deny, Deny, Deny..."

See, he got it wrong.

step one: feign ignorance
step two: deny
step three: counter accuse


Example:

"What are you talking about? I didn't do that. I think YOU did it."

Leaves them flustered, and you can move forward.

"I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't do that." Sounds like you're protesting too much.

[Happy Monkey]

He should have just married them all, like Newt.

[ZenGum]

I imagine the Republican party searching through the cupboards and looking under the cushions on the lounge, trying frantically to find a better candidate.

[Lamplighter]

Some days the stars align and all is good. Some days, not so much.
Today, just before the Iowa caucuses, Romney is seeing some marginal
headlines and articles that ostensibly are pro-Mitt.

One announces a Florida Congresswoman's endorsement of Mitt.

Washington Blade
Chris Johnson
November 30, 2011

Pro-LGBT Republican endorses Romney

A Republican U.S. House member known for holding
the most pro-LGBT views in her caucus has endorsed former
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in his bid for president.

Ros-Lehtinen’s endorsement of Romney is noteworthy to the LGBT community
because she’s among the most pro-LGBT Republicans in Congress.
In September, she became the first Republican to co-sponsor legislation
to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act
— much to the consternation of social conservatives.
<snip>
Romney, seen as the establishment candidate among GOP presidential hopefuls,
has distinguished himself among other Republicans pursuing the White House
for saying he’s open to the idea of LGBT rights.

Last week, he told the Nashua Telegraph, “I favor gay rights,”
and said he doesn’t “believe in discriminating in employment
or opportunity for gay individuals.”

Still, Romney said he doesn’t support same-sex marriage.

This one offers "friendly" advise to Mitt on how to run a better campaign.

Forbes
Gary Shapiro, Contributor
11/20/11
Mitt: All He Needs is Love

Romney’s biggest challenge is that we don’t know him as a person.
If we knew him, he could easily overcome three big complaints against him:

First, Romney is a Mormon.

Second, opponents charge that as Massachusetts Governor,
Romney signed the early model of Obamacare.

<snip>
Third, the biggest charge against Romney, is that he is a flip-flopper.

Next, the author points out that Romney has a special connection to Bobby Kennedy !

Romney will overcome these obstacles if he lets us see him as human and likable.

And besides all that:

Romney has other career opportunities.

Salt Lake Tribune
Peggy Fletcher Stack
11/20/11

Romney next Mormon prophet? Even if he loses, he could be president

If Mitt Romney fails to win the U.S. presidency,
he could always take the helm of 14 million-member LDS Church,
speculates one Bloomberg columnist.
<snip>
Too bad Hunt didn’t know that’s not really how it works in the Utah-based faith:
The Mormon presidency is not an elected nor appointed position.

If his campaign falls short, though, Romney could be tapped
as a Mormon mission president, an apostle or other high-ranking official.
Or Romney could serve again on a local level as an LDS stake president,
overseeing a regional group of churches.

He might enjoy the chance to be called “President Romney.”

[Lamplighter]

The Forbes article above has a fragrance of faint praise.

Wikipedia

A shill, plant or stooge is a person who helps a person or organization
without disclosing that he or she has a close relationship with that person or organization.

Plant and stooge more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league
with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually
a part of the organization he or she is planted in.

And besides all that:

Forbes magazine is owned and edited, in part, by Steve Forbes,
who was a GOP presidential candidate in years past, when he
ran on his proposal of a 17% "flat tax"

This year Steve Forbes is supporting Rick Perry, and it is rumored
that Perry's budget proposal is derived from, if not written by, Steve Forbes.
.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

Lies are not OK. He sleeps around? I don't care. He lies about sleeping around? I do care.

So I guess you still feel the same about Bill Clinton?

[glatt]

Yes. His lies bothered me too. Although Clinton did eventually come clean after he couldn't deny it any more, and he apologized to the country.

Cain is still telling lies that nobody believes. He's dug himself into a hole with his lies and can't find a graceful way out. His mistake was thinking that because his lies had always worked in the past, they would continue to work once he jumped onto the national stage.

When will politicians realize that if they have a lot to hide, it's going to come out?

[infinite monkey]

Clinton could get away with it 'cause he was a kickass president. And smart. Smart enough to save his fooling around until AFTER he got into office.

Why do these guys think their roaming penises won't come to light?

The power of the penis, why women should run the world.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

Yes. His lies bothered me too. Although Clinton did eventually come clean after he couldn't deny it any more, and he apologized to the country.

So you are willing to give Cain the same break?

Cain is still telling lies that nobody believes.

How do you know he is lying? Isn't it his word against the accusers? As far as I know there is only one documented case where some monetary settlement was reached, the details of which are still sketchy. All of the other women have some major baggage in their past, so you have to question the motivation to come out now.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Clinton could get away with it 'cause he was a kickass president. And smart. Smart enough to save his fooling around until AFTER he got into office.

Really?

Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Suzanne Coleman, Judy Gibbs, Katherine Willey, Dolly Kyle Browning, former Miss America Elizabeth Gracen, and the Arkansas state troopers were reported to had helped solicit women for Bill. All before he was president.

Makes Herman Cain look pale in comparison.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you know he is lying?

Of course he's lying.

I haven't followed each of the allegations that closely, because I don't think he's worth my time. But you don't get this many different people coming forward when someone is squeaky clean. The most recent one is making him think about dropping out of the race it's so serious. And he's still denying it. "Oh, I never had sex with her, but we did spend a lot of time together and I did give her money. And we were seen in public in Vegas together at a prize fight. But no, no sex. My wife's pissed at me. But no. No sex. Honest."

Comparing the guy to Clinton is fair, because they both have a history of being sluts who lie about it. But Clinton was a good president, and Cain has never held any office, so there's no comparison there.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

But Clinton was a good president, and Cain has never held any office, so there's no comparison there.

Clinton was among the biggest disgrace's ever to hold the office. He was as corrupt as they come. The Clinton couple was just as big a disgrace to move into the place. Take your blinders off.

Cain has had a few people come out and make accusations. The Clinton family has a literal body count behind them.

[glatt]

You actually believe the Clintons had people killed? This is an actual belief you hold?