Ending God's Tax Exempt Status - Page 17

queequeger · 08-25-2007, 04:34 AM

Well, the different governments do have different jobs to do, but I would venture to say that money does get back to local communities via earmarks and subsidies (which we've decided apparently are 'bad'). Most congressmen put through additions to bills that fund specific projects or areas of their home states/districts.

Now, that's not to say that they're evenly or fairly distributed, :edit: in fact they're often in personal interest to the congressmen themselves :edit:, but I'm looking at the possibilities of the system, not the system as it is now. Because we all know it's been busted for a while, and the more we ignore the problem the longer it stays. For instance, I'm all for federal funding of schools, because the fed has so much more money to throw around, if it's done right we'd never worry about underfunded schools again.

Not getting into the inequities of our system, (and I say 'our' meaning the US's), I think it's important to find what we think is our perfect government and work toward that, not slap together some hodgepodge of rules and systems that are designed just to keep it from falling apart.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 04:47 AM

Well, if you want the US to head for your utopia......

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Originally Posted by queequeger

Aha! If we did things my preferred method (i.e. northern european model of social capitalism) the government could fill that role and we'd not have to worry about the people helping the needy trying to convert for their religion.

.... then the first thing to do is secure the damn borders or we'd be broke (us & US) in no time.

queequeger · 08-25-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well, if you want the US to head for your utopia.......... then the first thing to do is secure the damn borders or we'd be broke (us & US) in no time.

Why would we be broke!? This concept that immigrants are going to swoop in and 'steal our welfare check' is ridiculous. People who work make money, pay taxes with that money, buy products that bolster our economy, and the work some more. In short, they're just like us!

They would integrate into the folds of our economy within a few years, and then sure enough I'm willing to bet they'll be complaining about the next wave of immigrants.

queequeger · 08-25-2007, 04:57 AM

In fact, by only letting a few people in, we're ensuring that they DO send their money elswhere vice keeping it in our economy.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 05:45 AM

Bullshit, with free everything and open borders we'd be deluged with humanity from all over the world, not just the Americas.

Aliantha · 08-25-2007, 05:48 AM

But if the US wasn't spending trillions of dollars on wars in other countries they could afford it right?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 05:50 AM

No.

Aliantha · 08-25-2007, 05:50 AM

OK, what about if everyone stopped using so much electricity? That'd save money right?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 05:57 AM

No.

Aliantha · 08-25-2007, 05:59 AM

Less phone calls?

DanaC · 08-25-2007, 06:05 AM

Only having a rubbish collection every two-three weeks instead of weekly?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 06:07 AM

There's absolutely nothing that could save us from the onslaught.

Aliantha · 08-25-2007, 06:07 AM

What about if America didn't seem like such a good place to live. lol

DanaC · 08-25-2007, 06:09 AM

Nothing except.....

DanaC · 08-25-2007, 06:10 AM

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What about if America didn't seem like such a good place to live. lol

But why wouldn't they? It's the greatest place on earth. Obviously if they opened their borders the entire world's poor and disaffected would decamp to the Land of the Free.

08-25-2007, 04:34 AM	#241
queequeger Hypercharismatic Telepathical Knight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The armpit of the Universe... Augusta, GA Posts: 365	Well, the different governments do have different jobs to do, but I would venture to say that money does get back to local communities via earmarks and subsidies (which we've decided apparently are 'bad'). Most congressmen put through additions to bills that fund specific projects or areas of their home states/districts. Now, that's not to say that they're evenly or fairly distributed, :edit: in fact they're often in personal interest to the congressmen themselves :edit:, but I'm looking at the possibilities of the system, not the system as it is now. Because we all know it's been busted for a while, and the more we ignore the problem the longer it stays. For instance, I'm all for federal funding of schools, because the fed has so much more money to throw around, if it's done right we'd never worry about underfunded schools again. Not getting into the inequities of our system, (and I say 'our' meaning the US's), I think it's important to find what we think is our perfect government and work toward that, not slap together some hodgepodge of rules and systems that are designed just to keep it from falling apart. __________________ Hoocha, hoocha, hoocha... lobster.

08-25-2007, 04:57 AM	#244
queequeger Hypercharismatic Telepathical Knight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The armpit of the Universe... Augusta, GA Posts: 365	In fact, by only letting a few people in, we're ensuring that they DO send their money elswhere vice keeping it in our economy. __________________ Hoocha, hoocha, hoocha... lobster.

08-25-2007, 05:45 AM	#245
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Bullshit, with free everything and open borders we'd be deluged with humanity from all over the world, not just the Americas. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-25-2007, 05:48 AM	#246
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	But if the US wasn't spending trillions of dollars on wars in other countries they could afford it right? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-25-2007, 05:50 AM	#247
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-25-2007, 05:50 AM	#248
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	OK, what about if everyone stopped using so much electricity? That'd save money right? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-25-2007, 05:57 AM	#249
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-25-2007, 05:59 AM	#250
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Less phone calls? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-25-2007, 06:05 AM	#251
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Only having a rubbish collection every two-three weeks instead of weekly?

08-25-2007, 06:07 AM	#252
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	There's absolutely nothing that could save us from the onslaught. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-25-2007, 06:07 AM	#253
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What about if America didn't seem like such a good place to live. lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-25-2007, 06:09 AM	#254
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Nothing except..... Attached Images

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