Guns don't kill people ....

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

FWIW, what difference does it make how often ?
Is once enough, or does the intimidator get one freebee, or two, or... ?

I wholeheartedly agree. However having a firearm doesn't make a person an abuser.

Also the figure isn't 66% of battered women in shelters. It is 66% of one third.

About one third of the battered women had a firearm in the home.
In two thirds of these households...

So, 417 * .33 = 137

137 * .66 = 90

The real number is 90/417 or about 21%

Still shitty if you are being abused, but closer to truth and accuracy.

[it]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

... But they accidently discharge, sending a bullet into a 15 year old girl's head and a 15 year old boy's neck.

http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/Two-s...114197884.html

i think this is completely missing the point your trying to make - being 17, and carrying a gun with the safety off in her purse, it was illegal for her in the first place - so if she already broke existing gun control rules how would more gun control rules would help?

guns are a market that needs to be kept under control percisely because you dont want untrained teenagers to carry it in public places on a common basis, percisely because you want this sort of thing to be rare, and that means you want to marginalize the black market as much as you possibly can.

why? for the same reason me and probably most of the people here had no problem getting weed throughout highschool - let's not apply the same rotten logic to guns.

[wolf]

Applause.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by wolf

Applause.

Standing ovation!

[ZenGum]

you naughty naughty person you.

[wolf]

By the way ... I think somebody's cooking the numbers. 21K suicides by firearm is too high. There are around 30K completed suicides annually. Less than half of those are by firearm.

[classicman]

-Over 36,000 people in the United States die by suicide every year.
-Ninety percent of all people who die by suicide have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder at the time of their death.
-Firearms account for 50 percent of all suicides.

Link

[lookout123]

What I see as important here is that it is 66% of battered women situations involved a firearm. (again, no mention of whether it was legally owned or not)

It does not say that 66% of firearm owners batter women.

You may not like firearms and that is ok. I don't like broccoli and would rather die than eat it, but I promise I won't try to make it harder for you to have it if you like it.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by lookout123

What I see as important here is that it is 21% of battered women situations involved a firearm. (again, no mention of whether it was legally owned or not)

It does not say that 66% of firearm owners batter women.

You may not like firearms and that is ok. I don't like broccoli and would rather die than eat it, but I promise I won't try to make it harder for you to have it if you like it.

How about Broccoli Raab? Is it all Cruciferous vegetables?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Maybe for the same reason I have excellent auto and homeowners insurance even though I haven't needed to use it. You know that whole, better to have it and not need it bit...

Meh. I googled home invasion statistics, and the first several pages were scare tactic sites by insurance and security companies. It's just another boogy man tactic for taking your money.

Originally Posted by lookout123

At the end of the day there are a lot of people who hate guns for a variety of reasons. In my opinion most of those reasons tie back to a fear of guns because of unfamiliarity. I don't care if you don't want to own a gun. If they scare you, you shouldn't have one. I fully support laws designed to keep handguns out of the hands of convicted felons. I don't support laws designed to make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase and maintain firearms. I'll be damned if your fear of something leads to my not being able to protect my family should the need arise.

I hope you're not characterizing me that way.

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Is that why people want firearms?

Apparently - see above.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

How about Broccoli Raab? Is it all Cruciferous vegetables?

Just don't try to regulate it!

[footfootfoot]

I bought firearms (a .22 and a shotgun) to protect my garden from woodchucks, skunks, possums, rabbits, and deer.

I also (attempted) to use my guns to put meat on the table. (If god had wanted us to be vegetarian then why did he make animals out of meat?) Because I keep my guns and ammo locked up they would prove unhandy in the event of an intruder. I'd probably just rely on the old fashioned heavy bedside lamp and sock full of quarters.

[Spexxvet]

I didn't say there's only one reason to own a gun.

[footfootfoot]

That last part is very interesting as well. Add some "liquid asshole" to the equation and things get out of hand.

The whole topic is horribly depressing.

[Aliantha]

Anyone can still go get a gun as long as it's not automatic in any way. You might tell them it's to keep the rabbits out (or some such thing). You're just not permitted to fire a gun in an urban area, except at a rifle range/shooting club, and they're usually on the fringes anyway.

There would be restrictions if you'd been convicted of a crime, especially one involving a weapon.

I'm sure there are other restrictions, but none that would stop an average law abiding citizen from owning a gun, provided they had the required storage facilities for said gun.