09-04-2006, 05:11 PM | #226 | |
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The difference is: indiscriminate intent is demonstrated by using those rockets at all; there is no other way to use them. I see tw is back to lecturing on what "the facts" are...I didn't think he could hold off for long. (He's also admitted he's actually sermonizing to the lurkers. :-) ) And like every thread tw posts in, it's eventually All About Bush. I'm going for the "too blinded by hate to recognize his own reference" theory. I know It's just so tough to be this far into hurricane season with no storm to blame on him, and--gosh darn it--that Armitage thing was such a disappointment too, but cheer up: maybe something else awful will happen.
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And for comparison, a typical Hezbollah rocket? (Hint, the first is measured in meters, the second in kilometers) Quote:
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And who will investigate what Hezbollah has been doing? Oh...that's right...
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09-04-2006, 07:28 PM | #228 |
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mmmm.... as I understand the situation, Hezbollah rockets are fired at a pretty much random pattern into Northern Israel. They land, explode and unfortunatly have killed some tens of Israeli citizens.
The IDF, perhaps rightly so, think this is not a good thing, and bombard Lebannon with mucho macho munitions. Of which a good proportion are designed not to explode on impact but to go *bang* (ha-ha - got you - now go break a leg (if you still have a leg)) when overt hostilities are over.
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09-04-2006, 08:40 PM | #229 |
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Not true Jay, they're not designed to not to explode on impact, they are all supposed to go off. It's a problem they would like to address, because usually the first people in the area after we drop them, are our troops.
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09-04-2006, 09:51 PM | #230 | |
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One measure would be comparing total expended with total unexploded found.
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09-05-2006, 03:07 AM | #231 | |
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My spelling may have room for improvement, but that's because English is not my first language. But we could continue this discussion in Dutch, French or German if you like, maybe your spelling in these languages is also better than mine, n'est-ce-pas? As for your experience, I have no doubt that you have more experience selling patatoe cutters than me.
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Cluster bombs are delivered either by aircraft, rocket or by artillerie. Since we are talking numbers, less than 50 Israelian civillians died, over a 1000 Lebanese civillians died. Does that mean Israel did a better job with a more effective radius? Quote:
“We're finding strikes that are in people's houses, in the middle of the street, around hospitals," said Chris Clark, program manager of the UN Mine Action Co-ordination Center in southern Lebanon. Approximately 250,000 Lebanese of the one million displaced cannot move back into their homes, many because of unexploded munitions. An unusual number of cluster bombs used in the war did not detonate on impact, possibly because they were old, Mr Egeland said. Usually 10-15 per cent of the bomblets fail to explode immediately. According to some estimates, up to 70 per cent of the Israeli bomblets failed to explode initially. Civilians returning to their homes in southern Lebanon are experiencing "massive problems," as a result of these unexploded munitions, Mr Egeland said.” (Times Online) Usually between 20 and 30% are duds, but it seem Israel has used old cluster bombs resulting in a higher number of unexploded bomblets. UN says it was 70%, I kept it a little more conservative. Cluster bombs disperse widely and are difficult to target precisely, they are especially dangerous when used near civilian areas. In addition, they are prone to failure: if the container opens at the wrong height, or the bomblets don't fuse properly, or their descent is broken by trees, or they land on soft ground - they may not detonate. This risk is known to the military who ordered to use it. Quote:
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09-05-2006, 06:09 AM | #234 | |
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There's only two reasons you haven't seen huge Hezbollah antipersonel weapons detonating in downtown Tel Aviv: they don't have them and can't deliver them there. They brag about the larger Russian and Chineese-designed missles thev've managed to drop randomly on civilians in Haifa...much of the remainder of which missles have now been destroyed on the ground by the same Israeli airstrikes you condem. (Replacements are on the way, of course.) They're clearly not constrained by any moral or legal considerations; it's all a matter of capabilities; we know what their intentions are. So one can hardly wait for the Iranians to have nukes. You can bandy scary words about how much area a cluster bomb can cover, but in fact that can be controlled. How much area actually was covered by each of the weapons you're complaining about? You don't know. You don't know how many were dropped, or what kind, or where (except in the vaguest terms). You certainly don't know why.--what military target they were being amed at when they were released; you can be certain that any evidence of that will be removed before the press and UN are brought in. All you do know is it makes a just dandy excuse to pillory the Israelis. I don't need to whitewash the Israelis...all the credible evidence I've seen so far suggests they have been doing no more than defending themselves from attack.
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So far, the United Nations has found 400 strike sites where cluster bombs were used -- "a lot of them U.S.-manufactured" U.N. demining teams, who have destroyed 2,900 sub-munitions so far, predict it would take 12 to 15 months to clean up the cluster bombs. (Source: Reuters) Quote:
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Also some support for your claim that Hezbollah has large missiles that can strike Tel Aviv would be nice. Of course Iran has them, but you're claiming they've been delivered in Lebanon, and survived? Or are they (and their crews) simply waiting to cross the Syrian border disguised as humanitarian relief?
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His bias is an open mind. Sometimes it gets him in trouble because he prints stories as they develop but, he is better than most and actually understands the interplay of factions.
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