Guns will protect you from tsunamis.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yeah, that's about right...maybe not commie, but at least wacko misfit and definitely un-American.


Critical thinking is a wonderful tool to give the kids, but it won't make them a living if they don't have a solid base in the three Rs and science.

[Ibby]

You mean it wont make them a living if they dont sit down like good little sheep and parrot back what the teacher says to get good grades...

fuckin' rat race.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Ibram

You mean it wont make them a living if they dont sit down like good little sheep and parrot back what the teacher says to get good grades...

fuckin' rat race.

Ha, all you have to do is not competely piss the teacher off and you will be fine. High school is all about doing homework which is bitchwork but if you don't learn that sometimes you will have to do things you don't want to get ahead, you won't get real far.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Captitalistic and atomosphere... I sense an impending avalanche of Sniglets.

Rhythmical ones, yet: cap-tit-a-lis-tic and at-om-o-sphere, cap-tit-a-lis-tic and at-om-o-sphere...

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Critical thinking is a wonderful tool to give the kids, but it won't make them a living if they don't have a solid base in the three Rs and science.

Doing real science and math requires piles of critical thinking.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Hippikos

Does that include critical thinking of fire arms? Or only ideas that suits your opinion?

Yes.

My opinions about firearms were arrived at by applying critical thinking.

And even better, I have the freedom to act on my opinions.

Some folks have been left no options by their governments, and thus have to rationalize the situation they find themselves in. Preferably an opinion that makes them appear noble, rather than emasculated.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by yesman065

"Message refused. Return to Sender"

If you actually have nothing to say, consider the STFU option. Having the last word is meaningless if you haven't said anything. And it's even worse if nobody can understand what you said.

[Hippikos]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Some folks have been left no options by their governments, and thus have to rationalize the situation they find themselves in. Preferably an opinion that makes them appear noble, rather than emasculated.

According your definition Anarchism would be critical thinking. Who is going to judge whether your rationalisation is correct? Only yourself by critical thinking? Do you think that owing 4 fire arms makes a person noble?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Ibram

You mean it wont make them a living if they dont sit down like good little sheep and parrot back what the teacher says to get good grades...

fuckin' rat race.

I don't know what sort of school you go to Ibram, but the schools I've been in haven't valued students who parrot the teacher any where near as highly as those who can argue their point with clarity. Maybe it's a different system there. I don't really know, but if it's that different, it's pretty sad.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

If you actually have nothing to say, consider the STFU option. Having the last word is meaningless if you haven't said anything. And it's even worse if nobody can understand what you said.

I understood it. I'm almost certain I'm not the only one who did.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Critical thinking is a wonderful tool to give the kids, but it won't make them a living if they don't have a solid base in the three Rs and science.

I think that's exactly right Bruce, and it's what I meant when I was suggesting that some rote learning is still beneficial to students.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't know what sort of school you go to Ibram, but the schools I've been in haven't valued students who parrot the teacher any where near as highly as those who can argue their point with clarity. Maybe it's a different system there. I don't really know, but if it's that different, it's pretty sad.

Well, I can tell you I'm definitely more of a thinker than a repeater, and i argue ALL my points, and the teachers', and my classmates'... but I'm practically failing because I don't do my homework (shuddup, I don't need a lecture), and all the homework is is parrotting back the same things they said in class. The teachers are (i hope) fond of me because I actually, y'know, DO shit in class (you know the whole meek asian school mindset...), but I nearly fail cause I won't do the rote shit.

[Aliantha]

Maybe you're missing the point of what they want you to do? They are the teachers after all...and you are the student.

Maybe not though. Maybe you're right. Unfortunately, if you're failing, you're doing something wrong. Maybe you need to look at that?

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

If you actually have nothing to say, consider the STFU option.

Ok, hey MaggieL STFU.

[Ibby]

I said I didn't want a lecture. I learn more out of school than in it, and most of what I do learn in school isn't worth learning to me. I thirst, I yearn for knowlegde, but having it mandated and force-fed to me is not the way I want it. I learn what I'm taught, but I don't care enough to buy into the rat race and shoot for the grades to show it if they dont come naturally. I'm passing, I ace almost all my tests (except in math, but thats a different matter altogether, one of apathy), but I don't do the ridiculous busywork I get assigned. I don't care if that costs me a good college, because as I've implied and outright said, I dont want to be part of the rat race. I don't need a piece of paper saying I know shit to know it. I know what I want to do, and I don't care what I have to sacrifice to do what I think is right.