Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY - Page 15

skysidhe · 08-29-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not censor posts of fact or opinion, censure personal attacks.

censure, yes. I used the wrong word. I thought about it too late to edit.

08-29-2010, 09:16 AM

The constant reference to it as the "ground zero" mosque and the gross misrepresentations of the words and actions of the imam director of the community center in question by the right wing media and the opposition to the facility only spread ignorance and intolerance.

The result is the backlash against Muslim and other mosques across the country. Islamaophobia is not only counter to American values but dangerous at many levels.

Perhaps a visual will help:

Pause. Breathe. Step back and look at yourself (often this is triggered when someone questions what you are doing). Pay attention to where you are and what is around you (right brain). Be self-reflective: Why am I trying to coerce? What am I afraid of? Is there a better way to persuade? How can I stay in a respectful relationship with this person?

08-29-2010, 06:20 PM

One does not need to education oneself about Islam to understand that many of the more vocal and vitriolic arguments against the building of this community center are based on demagoguing, fear-mongering and gross misrepresentation of the facts.

The "sensitivity" of building at this location (not within sight of Ground Zero) is another question but where do you draw the line?

If the mission of the community center is to encourage constructive engagement between Muslims, Christians and Jews and if the moderate imam in charge has a history of such bridge-building, does that not display sensitivity and a positive voice in the community?

When a vocal opposition (even if is the majority) ignores the facts and instead, act on emotion, we ultimately create separate standards of what is acceptable based on our own biases (against a race or religion) rather than what is right...and that is dangerous....because you (me or anyone of us) could be next group exercising our rights in a manner that might offend the sensibilities of others .

jinx · 08-30-2010, 08:24 PM

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-31-2010, 02:04 AM

Mr. Redux would like us not to have a look at the character and history of the fellow ramrodding the Islamic Cultural Center project. Is he not a be-all-end-all advocate of Sharia law, just as -- or more than -- Redux thinks the Democratic Party is his be-all-end-all?

classicman · 08-31-2010, 09:41 AM

UG - I've asked this several times now ... without response, but I'll ask again.

What factual information do you have on this/these fellows?
I haven't seen a thing anywhere.

08-31-2010, 11:00 AM

The facts are that the imam who heads up the community center has been sent to the Middle East by both the Bush and Obama State Departments on several occasions to help the US promote religious tolerance.

He has a long history of promoting religious tolerance and building bridges between Muslims, Christians and Jews in his writings and his actions.

His views are mainstream Muslim but have been twisted and vilified by the right in an ignorant attempt to justify their own intolerance.

Shawnee123 · 08-31-2010, 11:22 AM

But it's so offffffennnnnnnsivvvvvvvvvvvve. [/whine]

Pete Zicato · 08-31-2010, 03:33 PM

I have it on good authority that every single one of the 9/11 hijackers were men.

And yet. And yet. There are dozens of Men's rooms in the area around ground zero. Many sources are saying that one of the attendants is also a man. And that he's even been to training at a well known Hooters.

These buildings should be sensitive to the history of the area!

Shawnee123 · 08-31-2010, 03:50 PM

The horrors!

Rhianne · 08-31-2010, 05:19 PM

Pete says there are dozens of these Men's room in the area but we only have his word for it, he hasn't actually provided any evidence to support his statement.

tw · 08-31-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhianne

Pete says there are dozens of these Men's room in the area but we only have his word for it, he hasn't actually provided any evidence to support his statement.

Beck says it is not true. That proves it.

Shawnee123 · 08-31-2010, 07:32 PM

Pete, that bathroom sympathizer. Puh.

Pete Zicato · 08-31-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Pete, that bathroom sympathizer. Puh.

I have Crohn's Disease, so I have a bathroom dependency.

Pete Zicato · 09-03-2010, 10:53 AM

Another reason not to freak out.

08-30-2010, 08:24 PM	#4
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	__________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

08-31-2010, 02:04 AM	#5
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Mr. Redux would like us not to have a look at the character and history of the fellow ramrodding the Islamic Cultural Center project. Is he not a be-all-end-all advocate of Sharia law, just as -- or more than -- Redux thinks the Democratic Party is his be-all-end-all? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-31-2010, 09:41 AM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	UG - I've asked this several times now ... without response, but I'll ask again. What factual information do you have on this/these fellows? I haven't seen a thing anywhere. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-31-2010, 11:22 AM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	But it's so offffffennnnnnnsivvvvvvvvvvvve. [/whine] __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-31-2010, 03:33 PM	#9
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	I have it on good authority that every single one of the 9/11 hijackers were men. And yet. And yet. There are dozens of Men's rooms in the area around ground zero. Many sources are saying that one of the attendants is also a man. And that he's even been to training at a well known Hooters. These buildings should be sensitive to the history of the area! __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

08-29-2010, 09:16 AM	#2
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	The constant reference to it as the "ground zero" mosque and the gross misrepresentations of the words and actions of the imam director of the community center in question by the right wing media and the opposition to the facility only spread ignorance and intolerance. The result is the backlash against Muslim and other mosques across the country. Islamaophobia is not only counter to American values but dangerous at many levels. Perhaps a visual will help: Pause. Breathe. Step back and look at yourself (often this is triggered when someone questions what you are doing). Pay attention to where you are and what is around you (right brain). Be self-reflective: Why am I trying to coerce? What am I afraid of? Is there a better way to persuade? How can I stay in a respectful relationship with this person?

08-29-2010, 06:20 PM	#3
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	One does not need to education oneself about Islam to understand that many of the more vocal and vitriolic arguments against the building of this community center are based on demagoguing, fear-mongering and gross misrepresentation of the facts. The "sensitivity" of building at this location (not within sight of Ground Zero) is another question but where do you draw the line? If the mission of the community center is to encourage constructive engagement between Muslims, Christians and Jews and if the moderate imam in charge has a history of such bridge-building, does that not display sensitivity and a positive voice in the community? When a vocal opposition (even if is the majority) ignores the facts and instead, act on emotion, we ultimately create separate standards of what is acceptable based on our own biases (against a race or religion) rather than what is right...and that is dangerous....because you (me or anyone of us) could be next group exercising our rights in a manner that might offend the sensibilities of others .

08-31-2010, 11:00 AM	#7
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	The facts are that the imam who heads up the community center has been sent to the Middle East by both the Bush and Obama State Departments on several occasions to help the US promote religious tolerance. He has a long history of promoting religious tolerance and building bridges between Muslims, Christians and Jews in his writings and his actions. His views are mainstream Muslim but have been twisted and vilified by the right in an ignorant attempt to justify their own intolerance.

08-31-2010, 03:50 PM	#10
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	The horrors! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-31-2010, 05:19 PM	#11
Rhianne Nearly done. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Teetering on the edge. Posts: 1,134	Pete says there are dozens of these Men's room in the area but we only have his word for it, he hasn't actually provided any evidence to support his statement.

08-31-2010, 07:32 PM	#13
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Pete, that bathroom sympathizer. Puh. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-03-2010, 10:53 AM	#15
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Another reason not to freak out. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

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