Pedophilia Irish Style

[tw]

Originally Posted by BigV

What states have laws that all but protect pedophiles? What are these laws?

Lynn Abraham, DA from Philadelphia, subpoenaed Philadelphia Archdiocese records. Published the names of about 100 priests in 2005 known by that diocese to be pedophiles. In many cases, these same priests were relocated to other assignments where they would be in contact with kids. Abraham then bluntly noted that PA State law made it impossible prosecute any priests.

Or from the Washington Post on 22 Sept 2005:

The scathing, 418-page report vents the grand jury's frustration that it was unable to indict anybody. It says there is clear evidence in church files that Krol, who died in 1996, and Bevilacqua, who retired two years ago, "enabled and excused" abuse by transferring accused priests from parish to parish without warning parishioners or informing police.

Among the priests they protected, the grand jury said, was one who raped an 11-year-old girl and then took her in for an abortion, and another who groped a teenage girl while she lay immobilized in traction in a hospital bed after a car accident.

"But the biggest crime of all is this: it worked," the report said. "The abuser priests, by choosing children as targets and trafficking on their trust, were able to prevent or delay reports of their sexual assaults, to the point where applicable statutes of limitations expired. And Archdiocese officials, by burying those reports they did receive and covering up the conduct, similarly managed to outlast any statutes of limitation. . . . We surely would have charged them if we could have done so."

And this was reported how many times all over the country? And this was posted how many times in The Cellar?

At what point is this not racketeering?

[BigV]

so,

Most states in America still have laws that all but protect pedophilia.

means statutes of limitations?

[Happy Monkey]

Another.

A Joliet-area priest removed from ministry over an allegation of sexual abuse has been reinstated because his alleged relationship with a teenager in the 1970s did not meet the criteria of a crime under church law at that time, according to the Joliet Diocese.

[footfootfoot]

Sounds like he went from the 'kiss of life' to 'third base of life.'

[Happy Monkey]

The perils of wikipedia.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia, in September 2012

As a result, the age of consent is 12, like in Italy 1924/1929.

[infinite monkey]

De agony of de feet.

[tw]

From the Washington Post of 5 Feb 2014:

The committee condemned church doctrine that it views as out of step with the principles of human rights and child welfare. In blunt language that was a sharp departure from the polite wording so often embraced by diplomats, the committee took particularly aim at church stances on sexual orientation, reproductive health and gender equality.

“While also noting as positive the progressive statement delivered in July 2013 by Pope Francis, the Committee is concerned about the Holy See’s past statements and declarations on homosexuality which contribute to the social stigmatization of and violence against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender adolescents and children raised by same sex couples,” the report said.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said “anyone bringing attention to the problem [of sex abuse] is moving toward solving it.” But she strongly criticized the U.N. report for weaving issues like contraception and abortion into the report.

“Unfortunately they weakened it by throwing in the whole kitchen sink,” she said Wednesday. “Those are culture war issues. Sex abuse isn’t a culture war issue – it’s a sin and a crime.”

Of course, who in this church is speaking for which interest group? Pope Francis is firing or reassigning significant numbers of Vatican officials for obvious reasons. The Church has long been suspected of laundering money for the Mafia. Made more obvious by a man hanging by the neck from a London bridge. The Pope recently removed four of five Cardinals in charge of Vatican bank - all having been promoted by previous Pope Benedict. Benedict also has a history of ignoring (in essense condoning) pedophilia even as the head man on this issue during John Paul II's reign.

Bishops are upset because the UN addresses human rights violations that are acceptable in Church doctrine. "How dare they condemn our doctrine" is the response from some Bishops and Cardinals. Real question is, "How dare those clergy protect and condon human rights violations against children." The report only discusses all those issues related to children's human rights.

The report goes beyond pedophilia. It discusses human rights violations against children that also includes gender stereotyping, and attacks on children whose family might even contain LGBT members.

... the right of children to freely express their views constitutes one of the most essential components of children’s dignity and that ensuring this right is a vlegal obligation under the Convention, which leaves no leeway for the discretion of the [Vatican] States parties.

Children freely expressing such goes against current Church doctrine.

The Committee recommends that the Holy See assess the number of children born of Catholic priests, find out who they are and take all the necessary measures to ensure the rights of these children to know and to be cared for by their fathers,

Why should the UN even have to mention this? Priests taking responsiblity should be obvious.

The report moves on to address violence, abandonment, torture, corporal punishement, sexual exploitation and abuse, and other human rights violations of children by the Church. These are all but condoned by both Canon Law and Vatican Law. Specifically cited are the Magdalene laundries in Ireland. No wonder church spokesmen are so distressed after doing almost 20 years of ignoring a previous UN report.

... a code of silence imposed on all members of the clergy under penalty of excommunication, cases of child sexual abuse have hardly ever been reported to the law enforcement authorities in the countries where such crimes occurred

Report pedophilia and the Church will excommunicate you? Why can I not get on Nixon's and the Church's enemies list? Apparently I am too evil.

Of course, the Pope is not all powerful. He can only change so many things. He has inherited a church long condoned for many human right violations. It even protected pedophiles - as Lynn Abraham (Philadelphia DA) proved a decade ago and Seth Williams proves again only last year. Also blantantly exposed in a bankruptcy and prosecution of the LA dioceses. A Pope can only do so much. His latest effort was major - the removal of all but one Cardinal in the Vatican bank. Even the US is investigating the Vatican bank as a major money launder.

From the report:

While being fully conscious that biships and major superiors of religious institutes do not act as representative or delegates of the Roman Pontiff, the Committee nevertheless notes that subordindates in the Catholic religious orders are not bound by obedience to the Pope in accordcane with Canons 332 and 590. The Committe therefore reminds the Holy See that by ratifying the Conventions, it has committed itself to implementing the Convention not only on the terriroty of the Vatican City State but also as the supreme power of the Catholic Church through individual and institutions placed under its authority.

Many in the church have long denied this responsibility; therefore all but condoning human rights violations.

The UN's initial observations of human rights violations were made in 1995. UN is citing and criticizing almost 20 years of insufficient progress by the Church. However one can suspect the UN is empowering this new Pope for a massive house cleaning. This Church contains major power centers that have protected corruption. After 20 years of doing almost nothing, major changes not seen since Pope John XXIII (1960) may be happening.

For 20 years, multiple Popes did nothing; all but condoned corruption. Only one worst example of Church doctrine has been pedophilia.

[Adak]

They've known about the problem, in the Vatican, for decades. Even had a special commission set up to study it, headed by a leading Cardinal. This was done by the last Pope, not the current one, btw.

The decision made was "we're going to fix this"... by doing as little as possible, whilst sweeping it out of the media.

Tragic to see the EXTRA damage they have wrought on their own congregation's kids, and on the institution of the church itself.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

They've known about the problem, in the Vatican, for decades. Even had a special commission set up to study it, headed by a leading Cardinal.

Which 'they' and which Cardinal? What happened to the report? Was that what the Pope's Butler was leaking to reporters?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

Which 'they' and which Cardinal? What happened to the report? Was that what the Pope's Butler was leaking to reporters?

Pope John 23rd knew about the problem. He had Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, Secretary of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, send out an official notification of how these cases should be handled.

Ottaviani was the most powerful Cardinal at that time. This was in 1962, and John 23rd was in his last year as Pope.

In 1983, Cardinal Ratzinger and others pushed through a revision to the Church law, explicitly including sex with minors, as a serious crime. Ratzinger was a very powerful Cardinal (later, Pope Benedict 16th). It wasn't until the scandal was circling the globe in 2001, that Pope John 2nd finally called it a serious crime ("grave sin"), and reinforced the position of the church that all such crimes should be reported to the local authorities.

2002 - Background checks for priests in the US only, required by the Church.

2005 - Pope Benedict accused in Texas, of covering up a case of church sex with minors. George Bush and others, helped exclude the Pope, from the lawsuit.

Check out "Vatican Responses" section here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

for much more info. They tell you what the Vatican did, but don't tell you what the Vatican didn't, do, to correct this problem. For instance, if background checks were needed to help fight the problem in the US, why weren't they used in Australia, Philippines, Ireland, UK, and (perhaps), globally?

The Vatican denied it was a serious problem, for far too long. Then they denied it was a problem anywhere else except in the US and maybe Canada. Then it blew up in their faces, globally. I doubt if the Catholic Church will ever recover what it has lost.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Adak

I doubt if the Catholic Church will ever recover what it has lost.

I think you're correct. The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.

What do you mean by 'over'. Over as in dead? Or over doing a cover up and protection of people who promote hate?

Apparently the Vatican has recently released historical details of Pope Pius reign during WWII. It discusses support for Mussolini (for Vatican political reasons) followed by regret and inaction as Mussolini and Hitler became close friends.

Have similar historical facts been released by the Vatican for Pope John XXIII? Is that why (or if) details about Ottaviani recently become available?

Was any of this pedophilia problem part of so many leaks by Pope Benedict's butler?

[sexobon]

How much change can Pope Francis bring to the Catholic Church? ...

Depends on how large his collection basket is.

Your intense interest suggests you're thinking of becoming Catholic tw. As a layperson; or, as a priest? Father Tom, has a nice ring to it. You could work your way up the totem pole and make reforms. In return, they'll make you a saint!

[tw]

To become a saint, one must perform three miracles. That means spending an entire life learning how to perform magic tricks. After death, they study your life. If they cannot ascertain how three tricks worked, then one becomes a Saint.

[tw]

From CBS News:

John Paul II was put on the fast track of a process that usually takes decades, if not centuries.
In response to chants of "Santo Subito," meaning "make him a saint now" at John Paul II's funeral, Pope Benedict XVI dispensed with the mandated five-year waiting period for the work on proving sainthood to begin.

He was not a good magician. For example, he failed to make pedophiles disappear. So they are making an exception to the 'miracle rule'. Politics are more important than truth.