SCOTUS Grants Guantanamo Prisoners Habeas Corpus - Page 15

Undertoad · 11-22-2008, 08:48 AM

Oh yeah, they were all innocent Muslim tourists discovering Islam... they just happened to all choose the shittiest possible freezing cold ugly remote location, where there were lots of weapons, rocks and caves, and not so many elite mosques or troubling electricity or even roads to get where they were.

DanaC · 11-23-2008, 06:52 AM

Actually, that's a good point Bruce.

Though, having heard some of the stories that have come out from people who've left Gitmo (particularly the three lads from Tipton and the Manchester lad) I am inclined to think that the prisoners have been treated appallingly.

TheMercenary · 11-23-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Actually, that's a good point Bruce.

Though, having heard some of the stories that have come out from people who've left Gitmo (particularly the three lads from Tipton and the Manchester lad) I am inclined to think that the prisoners have been treated appallingly.

Solitary will do strange things to people. It does not mean they were tortured or physically harmed. Sucks to be those guys who got caught up in the dragnet. Others should probably stay til death, but given the state of affairs I would even release those to their host countries whether they wanted them or not.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-23-2008, 07:42 AM

Host countries or home countries?

TheMercenary · 11-23-2008, 07:43 AM

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Host countries or home countries?

Thank you, home countries.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-23-2008, 07:46 AM

OK, where they came from and not where they were caught. At least for the ones that it's not the same.

TheMercenary · 11-23-2008, 07:55 AM

Correct, I would send them back to their home countries and let the government do with them as they pleased.

Aliantha · 11-23-2008, 03:27 PM

I think they should all be sent back to their home countries.

I'm glad Hicks was sent home. He's been a free man for almost a year now and hasn't blown anything up yet. After being held for such a long time with no charges laid and then bullshit ones laid in the end, it's no wonder he went a bit nuts...just like all the others in Gitmo. I'd be inclined to say most of them are probably more dangerous coming out than they were going in. They certainly have more reason to hate America after the experience.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-23-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'd be inclined to say most of them are probably more dangerous coming out than they were going in.

Right... kill 'em.

Aliantha · 11-23-2008, 04:00 PM

Yeah well, I'm sure there are plenty who'd support that notion.

I wouldn't though, not that it matters, even if the prisoners are Australian citizens.

ZenGum · 11-23-2008, 05:57 PM

The problem with sending them back to their home countries is that those countries are often far less squeamish about using torture than the USA. Prolonged solitary confinement and waterboarding are kid's stuff compared to what goes on in some places.

I'll be very curious to see what happens to any repatriatees after they are sent home (and whether any start begging to be let back into Guantanamo Bay!)

TheMercenary · 11-23-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

The problem with sending them back to their home countries is that those countries are often far less squeamish about using torture than the USA. Prolonged solitary confinement and waterboarding are kid's stuff compared to what goes on in some places.

I'll be very curious to see what happens to any repatriatees after they are sent home (and whether any start begging to be let back into Guantanamo Bay!)

To bad... so sad. Tough shit. You can't have it both ways. I say we pass them off and make them some one else's problem and then judge them like the US has been judged on how they deal with them. Personally I can't wait....

classicman · 11-23-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

I'll be very curious to see what happens to any repatriatees after they are sent home (and whether any start begging to be let back into Guantanamo Bay!)

We'll never know. If they do anything to them not only are they not afraid to do much worse than waterboarding, but they won't tell anyone about it either. Those repatriotees will vanish.

TheMercenary · 11-23-2008, 09:29 PM

Seriously. You bleeding hearts want to end GITMO, fine, most of us fully support it. Just don't whine when these guys have their heads chopped off as they get off the airplane when they get home. That blood will be on your hands. I welcome the chance to say I told you so.

dar512 · 11-25-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Seriously. You bleeding hearts want to end GITMO, fine, most of us fully support it. Just don't whine when these guys have their heads chopped off as they get off the airplane when they get home. That blood will be on your hands. I welcome the chance to say I told you so.

Seems like you've been doing most of the talking about sending them home, so why isn't the blood on your hands?

All I ever promoted was a fair trial in a fair amount of time without being mistreated in the meantime.

We grabbed these people and that means we now have the responsibility of doing the right thing by them. For some I assume that means incarceration. For others that would mean sending them home. For still others, it would mean letting them find a host country.

Just because you're tired of the situation doesn't mean that you get to make a bulk decision for individuals.

Oh, and the last I checked my heart is just fine.

11-23-2008, 07:42 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Host countries or home countries? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-23-2008, 07:46 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, where they came from and not where they were caught. At least for the ones that it's not the same. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-23-2008, 07:55 AM	#7
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Correct, I would send them back to their home countries and let the government do with them as they pleased. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-23-2008, 03:27 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think they should all be sent back to their home countries. I'm glad Hicks was sent home. He's been a free man for almost a year now and hasn't blown anything up yet. After being held for such a long time with no charges laid and then bullshit ones laid in the end, it's no wonder he went a bit nuts...just like all the others in Gitmo. I'd be inclined to say most of them are probably more dangerous coming out than they were going in. They certainly have more reason to hate America after the experience. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-23-2008, 04:00 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yeah well, I'm sure there are plenty who'd support that notion. I wouldn't though, not that it matters, even if the prisoners are Australian citizens. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-22-2008, 08:48 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Oh yeah, they were all innocent Muslim tourists discovering Islam... they just happened to all choose the shittiest possible freezing cold ugly remote location, where there were lots of weapons, rocks and caves, and not so many elite mosques or troubling electricity or even roads to get where they were.

11-23-2008, 06:52 AM	#2
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Actually, that's a good point Bruce. Though, having heard some of the stories that have come out from people who've left Gitmo (particularly the three lads from Tipton and the Manchester lad) I am inclined to think that the prisoners have been treated appallingly.

11-23-2008, 05:57 PM	#11
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	The problem with sending them back to their home countries is that those countries are often far less squeamish about using torture than the USA. Prolonged solitary confinement and waterboarding are kid's stuff compared to what goes on in some places. I'll be very curious to see what happens to any repatriatees after they are sent home (and whether any start begging to be let back into Guantanamo Bay!) __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-23-2008, 09:29 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Seriously. You bleeding hearts want to end GITMO, fine, most of us fully support it. Just don't whine when these guys have their heads chopped off as they get off the airplane when they get home. That blood will be on your hands. I welcome the chance to say I told you so. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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