Drug Wars tooooo close to home!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

The Supreme Court relies heavily on precedent which limits the interpretation of any one justice.


It took the Supreme Court awhile, but it did affirm the prisoners at Gitmo do have constitutional rights, albeit limited because of their status as prisoners of war.

Nor does it make Enemy Combatants in Gitmo "Citzens" who have all the Rights afforded under our Constitution. That is not what the Supreme Court said. Nice try....

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Nor does it make Enemy Combatants in Gitmo "Citzens" who have all the Rights afforded under our Constitution. That is not what the Supreme Court said. Nice try....

Again, I never said that prisoners in Gitmo have the same rights as citizens.

I said the Court affirmed that they have some basic rights of "the people", including habeus corpus.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Again, I never said that prisoners in Gitmo have the same rights as citizens.

I said the Court affirmed that they have some basic rights of "the people", including habeus corpus.

They have "limited" Rights, nothing more nothing less. I would agree they should just close Gitmo. But Obama has failed to follow through on this promise.

[Aliantha]

Yes I understand that.

It doesn't stop the average joe from trying to make an unmakable point though does it?

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Yes I understand that.

It doesn't stop the average joe from trying to make an unmakable point though does it?

Nope...it sure doesnt.

The fact remains that the US, like the constitutions in nearly every democratic country in the world treat "the people" as meaning more than just citizens.

That is probably the case in Australia; if not, it would be the exception.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Nope...it sure doesnt.

The fact remains that the US, like the constitutions in nearly every democratic country in the world treat "the people" as meaning more than just citizens.

That is probably the case in Australia; if not, it would be the exception.

But yet it does not make them "Citizens" now does it? Nor does our Constitution provide for such.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But yet it does not make them "Citizens" now does it? Nor does our Constitution provide for such.

You keep raising a point that I never made.

I never said anything about making them citizens or suggested that the Constitution provides the same rights as citizens.

I guess you are just unwilling to accept the basic Constitutional rights of "the people" as opposed to the specified rights of citizens.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You keep raising a point that I never made. I never said anything about making them citizens.

I guess you are just unwilling to accept the basic Constitutional rights of "the people" as opposed to the specified rights of citizens.

And you raised the parallel between Enemy Combatants in Gitmo and illegal aliens. Apples and Oranges. There is no comparison.

Constitutional scholars have not supported your notions.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I never said anything about making them citizens or suggested that the Constitution provides the same rights as citizens.

I did. Our Constitution only provides Rights to Citizens.

I guess you are just unwilling to accept the basic Constitutional rights of "the people" as opposed to the specified rights of citizens.

"The People" has been established to pertain to "Citizens"...

[TheMercenary]

Why has Obama failed to close Gitmo as he promised?

[Aliantha]

So if I come to the US and allegedly commit a crime, do I not have the right to innocence until proven guilt?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

So if I come to the US and allegedly commit a crime, do I not have the right to innocence until proven guilt?

Sure you do, and you have the Right to go to jail, and then be deported. Limited Rights.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

So if I come to the US and allegedly commit a crime, do I not have the right to innocence until proven guilt?

You have a right to free speech, a right to be protected from search and seizure, the right to habeus corpus, the right to equal protection under the law, etc.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sure you do, and you have the Right to go to jail, and then be deported. Limited Rights.

Well, provided I was proven guilty of course.

Originally Posted by Redux

You have a right to free speech, a right to be protected from search and seizure, the right to habeus corpus, etc.

Yes but only if there's no evidence to suggest I've committed a crime, otherwise the police have the right to search as much as they like, just like a US citizen.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Yes but only if there's no evidence to suggest I've committed a crime, otherwise the police have the right to search as much as they like, just like a US citizen.

The right to search and seizure is limited in the same manner for non-citizens and citizens.....probable cause.