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Urbane Guerrilla · 01-15-2007, 05:51 AM

Ibram, the short answer is you won't have a mature nor complete understanding of it until you read Stephen P. Halbrook.

The long answer is the clear and engagingly written text of Halbrook's That Every Man Be Armed: the Evolution of a Constitutional Right. The man's no shifty propagandist; he's the Constitutional lawyer who gutted the Brady Law's more noxious provisions before the US Supreme Court. He's someone to respect and give ear to.

After all, it is the Second Amendment, and no other, that gives teeth to the First. Its intent, and indeed its rather unacknowledged effect, is to give teeth to all of them, Amendments and Constitution alike.

Meanwhile, you might peruse, online, the writing of Don B. Kates and David Kopel. These too are highly sensible men. But don't take my word for it; see for yourself and discuss it.

Ibby · 01-15-2007, 06:06 AM

Once again, the only truly important law that is not either dead or dying is the second. That is not right. An armed america without the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth amendment... is still a dictatorship, a totalitarian regime that YOU, Urbane Guerrilla, support and helped establish. Which makes you no better than the red-bandannas in cambodia, or the general german public in the late thirties, or the Bolsheviks in russia. It is YOU that is an enemy of freedom and therefore mankind..

JayMcGee · 01-15-2007, 07:09 PM

indeed so, Maggie.... as he aged, he became more and more right-wing, ending up as the literary equivalent of John Wayne.

The device I mentioned was a hand-held laser, from one of his short-stories. It may have been called 'the equliser' or 'the leveller'.

MaggieL · 01-17-2007, 07:01 PM

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indeed so, Maggie.... as he aged, he became more and more right-wing, ending up as the literary equivalent of John Wayne.

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Urbane Guerrilla · 01-15-2007, 07:32 PM

Rant away, Ibram, rant away. The more you yell, the smarter I look, or perhaps am. Meanwhile, get your reading done if you really want to run with the big dogs.

Ibby · 01-15-2007, 07:43 PM

Look, I'm anti-gun-control myself, in the spirit of freedom, even though I don't like the things, but given the choice between republicans (take away all your rights but leave the guns) and the democrats (take away your guns but leave all the rest of your rights), too many of you (not you personally, you universal) pick republican.

yesman065 · 01-15-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

too many of you (not you personally, you universal) pick republican.

Uh, you sure about that?? I would say the exact opposite. The world has gotten more liberal over time not more conservative.

MaggieL · 01-17-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Look, I'm anti-gun-control myself, in the spirit of freedom...

I'm not willing to settle for just "the sprit" of freedom.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-17-2007, 09:23 PM

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I'm not willing to settle for just "the sprit" of freedom.

Nor I. Ibbie, you clearly do not yet know yet what guns are, and what guns are not. Experience is about all I can recommend.

Ibby · 01-16-2007, 01:44 AM

But it's still too conservative.

yesman065 · 01-16-2007, 07:15 AM

That depends on your perspective. Many would agree with you, but many would disagree with you too.

Ibby · 01-16-2007, 07:17 AM

Yes, but that could be said of anything at all. I will still believe I'm right.

yesman065 · 01-16-2007, 07:45 AM

And I believe I am right as well. The world is far more liberal today than it was 20, 40 or 50 years ago. Oh, and not enough picked republican this last election.

Ibby · 01-16-2007, 08:04 AM

No, about 49% too many picked Republicans.

I don't like the Democrats, but they're by far the lesser of two evils.

yesman065 · 01-16-2007, 08:12 AM

Well there are other options beside those two. . .

01-15-2007, 05:51 AM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Ibram, the short answer is you won't have a mature nor complete understanding of it until you read Stephen P. Halbrook. The long answer is the clear and engagingly written text of Halbrook's That Every Man Be Armed: the Evolution of a Constitutional Right. The man's no shifty propagandist; he's the Constitutional lawyer who gutted the Brady Law's more noxious provisions before the US Supreme Court. He's someone to respect and give ear to. After all, it is the Second Amendment, and no other, that gives teeth to the First. Its intent, and indeed its rather unacknowledged effect, is to give teeth to all of them, Amendments and Constitution alike. Meanwhile, you might peruse, online, the writing of Don B. Kates and David Kopel. These too are highly sensible men. But don't take my word for it; see for yourself and discuss it. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-15-2007, 06:06 AM	#2
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Once again, the only truly important law that is not either dead or dying is the second. That is not right. An armed america without the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth amendment... is still a dictatorship, a totalitarian regime that YOU, Urbane Guerrilla, support and helped establish. Which makes you no better than the red-bandannas in cambodia, or the general german public in the late thirties, or the Bolsheviks in russia. It is YOU that is an enemy of freedom and therefore mankind.. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-15-2007, 07:09 PM	#3
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	indeed so, Maggie.... as he aged, he became more and more right-wing, ending up as the literary equivalent of John Wayne. The device I mentioned was a hand-held laser, from one of his short-stories. It may have been called 'the equliser' or 'the leveller'. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

01-15-2007, 07:32 PM	#5
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Rant away, Ibram, rant away. The more you yell, the smarter I look, or perhaps am. Meanwhile, get your reading done if you really want to run with the big dogs. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-15-2007, 07:43 PM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Look, I'm anti-gun-control myself, in the spirit of freedom, even though I don't like the things, but given the choice between republicans (take away all your rights but leave the guns) and the democrats (take away your guns but leave all the rest of your rights), too many of you (not you personally, you universal) pick republican. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-16-2007, 01:44 AM	#10
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	But it's still too conservative. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-16-2007, 07:15 AM	#11
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	That depends on your perspective. Many would agree with you, but many would disagree with you too.

01-16-2007, 07:17 AM	#12
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Yes, but that could be said of anything at all. I will still believe I'm right. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-16-2007, 07:45 AM	#13
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	And I believe I am right as well. The world is far more liberal today than it was 20, 40 or 50 years ago. Oh, and not enough picked republican this last election. Last edited by yesman065; 01-16-2007 at 08:05 AM.

01-16-2007, 08:04 AM	#14
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	No, about 49% too many picked Republicans. I don't like the Democrats, but they're by far the lesser of two evils. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-16-2007, 08:12 AM	#15
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Well there are other options beside those two. . .

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