The "Plane on a Treadmill" Question - Page 15

Undertoad · 12-09-2006, 09:14 AM

That is actually good to hear. I always felt like she lost some of her personality through the transition. Like Scott would push back, but Lisa wouldn't. I liked that push back sometimes.

MaggieL · 12-09-2006, 09:27 AM

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That is actually good to hear. I always felt like she lost some of her personality through the transition. Like Scott would push back, but Lisa wouldn't. I liked that push back sometimes.

Oh, Lisa's still the same person, no question about it. I think it's natural to lose some assertiveness during transition--especially male to female--because that power is being consumed elsewhere. But then begins the process of integrating core motivations with a new set of social expectations and norms. The strategy is largely unchanged, but often the tactics are different. Learning the new tactics isn't instantaneous.

One of the cruelest things that happens to a transitioning transsexual is the important people in your life who find it easier to cope with your transition by behaving as if the person they knew is now dead; taken over zombie fashion by some other entity. In the cases I know, t'aint so.

skysidhe · 12-09-2006, 09:23 AM

Maggie, The original question dosn't say the wind speed exceeds the stall speed.

MaggieL · 12-09-2006, 09:32 AM

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Maggie, The original question dosn't say the wind speed exceeds the stall speed.

No, it doesn't. But I'm trying to shed light on the fact that lift is a function only of airspeed (and angle of attack). Groundspeed is irrelevant, and airspeed and groundspeed are two different things.

The other thing that some folks are missing is that airspeed is created by thrust...and that the operation of thrust has nothing to do with the ground or how the airplane is supported before takeoff (wheels, treadmills, skis, skids, floats, etc.) at all.

If thrust had anything to do with the ground, it wouldn't work while flying. Duh.

lumberjim · 12-09-2006, 09:26 AM

i read the question....thought about it..decided that the rotation of the wheels nullified the movement of the treadmill..then i decided to wait to see what Happy Monkey would say, and knew i was right when he agreed.

the only way this scenario works out to no forward movement, and thence no lift is if the wheels are locked, and fastened tight to the surface.

as happy monkey said. it's a trick question

Happy Monkey · 12-09-2006, 02:26 PM

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i read the question....thought about it..decided that the rotation of the wheels nullified the movement of the treadmill..then i decided to wait to see what Happy Monkey would say, and knew i was right when he agreed.

Heh, thanks.

lumberjim · 12-09-2006, 09:30 AM

you said taint

Spexxvet · 12-09-2006, 09:31 AM

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you said taint

NOW the plane/treadmill debate is OVER!

wolf · 12-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

NOW the plane/treadmill debate is OVER!

This is the internet. It's not over until somebody says something about Hitler and you know it.

Oh, crap. I just blew my nomination for the Hall of Fame. Is a non-productive contribution to the thread still counted as a contribution?

Spexxvet · 12-09-2006, 01:00 PM

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This is the internet. It's not over until somebody says something about Hitler and you know it.

Oh, crap. I just blew my nomination for the Hall of Fame. Is a non-productive contribution to the thread still counted as a contribution?

And you mentioned Hitler in the same post! Double whammy.

MaggieL · 12-09-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

you said taint

"taint" != "t'aint", just as "wont" != "won't"

skysidhe · 12-09-2006, 09:39 AM

I guess I am just too stupid to get it then. Thanks hideouse. You tried.

MaggieL · 12-09-2006, 09:45 AM

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I guess I am just too stupid to get it then. Thanks hideouse. You tried.

It's very counterintuitive if the only wheeled vehicles you've ever been in moved by applying power to the wheels. But imagine an airboat in a swift current...the propellor operates on the air, not on the water.

Someday come along with me for a ride in the Cardinal...feeling it happen makes a difference.

Flint · 12-09-2006, 11:16 AM

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It's very counterintuitive if the only wheeled vehicles you've ever been in moved by applying power to the wheels.

I don't think anyone in the history of this question has ever thought that the wheels are the source of propulsion for the plane. Also, I don't think anyone has ever thought that a plane can take off without air moving over the wings. The question is designed to get groups of people arguing about two completely different scenarios, and these non-points are inherent in the comparison between the two. Based on what you believe the question is stating as the premise (which isn't specified), there are two different outcomes. There is no "right" answer.

MaggieL · 12-09-2006, 12:23 PM

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I don't think anyone in the history of this question has ever thought that the wheels are the source of propulsion for the plane.

Nor did I say that. I said that if you'd only been in powered-wheel vehicles the situation was counterintuitive.

Oh, by the way:

an airplane that generates some lift in an unorthdox way

12-09-2006, 09:26 AM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i read the question....thought about it..decided that the rotation of the wheels nullified the movement of the treadmill..then i decided to wait to see what Happy Monkey would say, and knew i was right when he agreed. the only way this scenario works out to no forward movement, and thence no lift is if the wheels are locked, and fastened tight to the surface. as happy monkey said. it's a trick question __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-09-2006, 09:30 AM	#7
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12-09-2006, 09:14 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That is actually good to hear. I always felt like she lost some of her personality through the transition. Like Scott would push back, but Lisa wouldn't. I liked that push back sometimes.

12-09-2006, 09:23 AM	#3
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Maggie, The original question dosn't say the wind speed exceeds the stall speed.

12-09-2006, 09:39 AM	#12
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I guess I am just too stupid to get it then. Thanks hideouse. You tried.

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