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Aliantha · 10-25-2006, 11:07 PM

Forget it lumber. Just go ahead and crack all the jokes you like...and stick up for those that do too. That's your right. It's also my right to express how I feel about things posted here which is what I did.

Spex didn't seem to have a problem with it. You do. Maybe you need to consider why you think it's wrong for me to ask people to be more thoughtful about this particular subject.

To answer your question. If someone asked me to refrain from speaking about a certain subject because it caused them discomfort then I don't think I'd have a problem with it, however, there are very few subjects that cause quite the same types of feelings in women as rape does.

No offense to you lumber, but you're not a woman, so I entirely accept that you don't understand the point.

10-25-2006, 11:12 PM

This all comes back to something I say a lot.
Freedom always comes at one cost. You will be around other's expression of their freedom. They will partake of freedoms you will not choose to. Some will make you uncomfortable, some will not.
That is part of the package.
Truth is freedom is not for everyone... I am starting to think it is for very few.

Aliantha · 10-25-2006, 11:16 PM

I think there's a difference here rkz. If people want to discuss the issue and speak the truth then that's one thing and can be beneficial to all.

Anyway, you can all just forget I said anything.

I find it interesting that no women have commented on the subject. Only men who feel their freedom is being impinged upon.

10-25-2006, 11:21 PM

I was talking about gun ownership. It is our right. If someone does not like it they don't have to own one.
Geez, everyone has to make shit about them.

lumberjim · 10-25-2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

As a poster, I feel it's not unfair to ask that other posters respect the fact that this is an issue which a) effects me personally and b) more than likely effects at least several others.

With that in mind, I don't think it's too much to ask people to lay off rape jokes.

should we then stay away from everything that might offend anyone of us? If i said to you that the mention of heart attacks makes me extremely uncomfortable, would you avoid that topic? it wasn't even a rape joke. it was a word joke.

Aliantha · 10-25-2006, 11:36 PM

Forget it lumber. Just do what you want.

lumberjim · 10-25-2006, 11:51 PM

sorry about the redundant posts. when i posted the reply initially, it had me logged off, and i didn;t think it went through. then, when i re-did it, i found that they had both made it.

and i will do whatever i want. having said that, i have no desire to make rape jokes in the first place. just don't expect everyone to change who they are because of something bad that happened to you.

you probably think i'm a dick now. sigh.

Aliantha · 10-26-2006, 12:05 AM

No, that's not what I think lumber.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 08:45 AM

Of course not. He's a cock, not a dick.

Spexxvet · 10-26-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Blaming the victim is pretty much a reflex for you, isn't it? If someone "had to be killed", as you put it, who is responsible for creating that necssesity? Obviously it's the person who was attacked, that poor criminal had nothing at all to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

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As a fair tradeoff for not having to be killed by someone, I'd call it more than fair. Stop asking people with more sense than you're showing to submit to murder, Spexx! It's unbecoming, immoral, unfair, and really pretty slimy! If you don't become an advocate of self-defense by all means, you cannot ever be a good man -- think about what that means.

Are you two ignorant or just lacking creativity? Don't walk down a dark alley, don't travel in high crime neighborhoods, avoid trouble, walk away from an antagonist, secure your home. If you do these things, you won't be a victim AND you won't have to kill someone. In fact you won't need a gun at all!

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Remember that Spexx is vigorously and repeatedly projecting his subconscious urge to kill -- subconscious because he cannot consciously accept it, however better adjusted he might be if he did -- onto gun-owning folk more sensible (on this matter) than he. It helps to invalidate his entire argument, and frankly, that's a good thing.

Wolf is waiting for you to check in.

footfootfoot · 10-26-2006, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I was talking about gun ownership. It is our right. If someone does not like it they don't have to own one.
Geez, everyone has to make shit about them.

Did you read the news article? The f-ing moron was waving a gun around at a children's game. Who the fuck packs heat to a pee wee football game?

I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if he'd let a few rounds go into the stands and took out a couple of kids. Not too small a price to pay for our freedom? As a father I'm astounded that you don;t find his behaviour at least a little questionable. I think it isn't just the felons, but the mentally and emotionally unstable who might serve the general population better by not owning guns.

That's why I don't own one. I'm not a felon, but my friends tell me I'm crazy.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-26-2006, 08:06 PM

After you.

Spexx, your responses and posts in all this demonstrate you are not rational on this topic. Hip deep in denial is a bad place to be if you don't want personal trouble with crocodiles.

A true, holistic approach to the troubles caused by evil behavior goes all the way up, legitimately, to countervailing violence. You do not possess a true, holistic approach.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-26-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I find it interesting that no [other? -- UG] women have commented on the subject. Only men who feel their freedom is being impinged upon.

MaggieL is in this thread, on my side of the fence. Her views are made abundantly clear, and in some volume.

wolf · 10-27-2006, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Are you two ignorant or just lacking creativity? Don't walk down a dark alley, don't travel in high crime neighborhoods, avoid trouble, walk away from an antagonist, secure your home. If you do these things, you won't be a victim AND you won't have to kill someone. In fact you won't need a gun at all!

Bad things don't only happen in bad neighborhoods.

wolf · 10-27-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

MaggieL is in this thread, on my side of the fence. Her views are made abundantly clear, and in some volume.

I am an absolute proponent of personal freedom and the right to keep and bear arms.

10-25-2006, 11:07 PM	#211
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Forget it lumber. Just go ahead and crack all the jokes you like...and stick up for those that do too. That's your right. It's also my right to express how I feel about things posted here which is what I did. Spex didn't seem to have a problem with it. You do. Maybe you need to consider why you think it's wrong for me to ask people to be more thoughtful about this particular subject. To answer your question. If someone asked me to refrain from speaking about a certain subject because it caused them discomfort then I don't think I'd have a problem with it, however, there are very few subjects that cause quite the same types of feelings in women as rape does. No offense to you lumber, but you're not a woman, so I entirely accept that you don't understand the point. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 11:16 PM	#213
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think there's a difference here rkz. If people want to discuss the issue and speak the truth then that's one thing and can be beneficial to all. Anyway, you can all just forget I said anything. I find it interesting that no women have commented on the subject. Only men who feel their freedom is being impinged upon. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 11:36 PM	#216
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Forget it lumber. Just do what you want. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 11:51 PM	#217
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	sorry about the redundant posts. when i posted the reply initially, it had me logged off, and i didn;t think it went through. then, when i re-did it, i found that they had both made it. and i will do whatever i want. having said that, i have no desire to make rape jokes in the first place. just don't expect everyone to change who they are because of something bad that happened to you. you probably think i'm a dick now. sigh. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-26-2006, 12:05 AM	#218
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	No, that's not what I think lumber. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 11:12 PM	#212
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	This all comes back to something I say a lot. Freedom always comes at one cost. You will be around other's expression of their freedom. They will partake of freedoms you will not choose to. Some will make you uncomfortable, some will not. That is part of the package. Truth is freedom is not for everyone... I am starting to think it is for very few.

10-25-2006, 11:21 PM	#214
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I was talking about gun ownership. It is our right. If someone does not like it they don't have to own one. Geez, everyone has to make shit about them.

10-26-2006, 08:45 AM	#219
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Of course not. He's a cock, not a dick. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 08:06 PM	#222
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	After you. Spexx, your responses and posts in all this demonstrate you are not rational on this topic. Hip deep in denial is a bad place to be if you don't want personal trouble with crocodiles. A true, holistic approach to the troubles caused by evil behavior goes all the way up, legitimately, to countervailing violence. You do not possess a true, holistic approach. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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