Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Another point for single payer. But we can't have that, so we're stuck with the insurance companies.

Which I've already said was my preferred option

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And we can't let them do whatever they want just because it would be expensive to police them.

NEVER did I say anything of the sort.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by classicman

NEVER did I say anything of the sort.

OK

Originally Posted by classicman

Severe regulation adds inherent costs that will offset any savings. The more bureaucratic this becomes, the more it will cost.

So this was merely a prediction, and not an argument against severe regulation? It can be hard to judge tone on the internet.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So this was merely a prediction, and not an argument against severe regulation? It can be hard to judge tone on the internet.

Absolutely an argument FOR single payer. (shouldn't that be payor?)

What they've done now is probably worse financially. Certainly not an endorsement of no regulation, nor an endorsement of heavy regulation - just an opinion.

[classicman]

I believe many wanted that - IIRC the R's prevented that from happening.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Anyone who understands what's wrong with our medical system, realizes single payer is the only practical solution. No system is perfect, but there are plenty of examples around the world showing that single payer works the best for 99% of the citizens.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Anyone who understands what's wrong with our medical system, realizes single payer is the only practical solution. No system is perfect, but there are plenty of examples around the world showing that single payer works the best for 99% of the citizens.

In the long term, I agree.

But in practical terms, with 200 million people in employer-based health care, you cant get there from here overnight....without massive disruptions.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

In the long term, I agree.

But in practical terms, with 200 million people in employer-based health care, you cant get there from here overnight....without massive disruptions.

Fuck that, that is not what the Demoncrats or Obama or that bitch Pelosi promised the electorate.

Now you want to modify the pain. Ha. See you in Nov.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

How to respond to "baiting" in the Cellar:
1) ignore
2) respond with childish remarks about blowjobs.
3) respond with humor
4) edit the posts of others

1) ______________
2) Go get a BJ - I hear they are cheap in Ohio.
3)see #2
4)see all of above

Really? Someone throws a stone at you, and you throw a stone at someone who is not even a bystander - someone who is at home minding their own business? Really?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fuck that, that is not what the Demoncrats or Obama or that bitch Pelosi promised the electorate.

republican talking points.

[classicman]

Health Insurers Seeking Rate Hikes Of More Than 20 Percent In Connecticut

Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said, "These outrageous requests demonstrate the need for stronger Department of Insurance authority to block unjustified health insurance premium increases, as I strongly advocated in the last session. My proposed bill would have allowed the commissioner to consider insurer profitability, required insurers to inform customers of rate requests and mandated an up or down ruling on all increases."

On Sept. 23, health insurers will be required to comply with an array of provisions that were part of federal health reform laws passed six months ago. In Connecticut, some of provisions were already extended to consumers by state law. Others were not, and they are cited as part of the reason for proposed increases to premiums starting Oct. 1.

"If you fail to recognize that the new requirements around benefits that were passed in federal reform were going to drive price, I think you're being intellectually irresponsible," said Keith Stover, a lobbyist with the Connecticut Association of Health Plans.

New regulations include eliminating cash limits on how much insurers pay per person each year, and throughout a person's lifetime. Insurers won't be able to deny coverage to children under 19 who have a pre-existing medical condition. Additionally, some federal laws duplicate what was already law in Connecticut, such as allowing young adults to stay on their parents plan until they reach age 26.

"Those are new benefits that are going to cost money," Stover said. "You can't just wave the magic wand and say, 'Do all these things, and they're free.' It just doesn't work that way."

From here: Bold mine.

[Spexxvet]

Today, the average cost of a family health insurance offered by an employer is $13,375. That's up 131% over the last decade—a period in which inflation rose only 28%. And one estimate says that if costs continue on their current trajectory, premiums will go up another 166% in the decade ahead

Read more: http://money.blogs.time.com/2009/09/...#ixzz0zcb6Jd6D

From here

[Spexxvet]

Interesting analysis

For the record, there was no stone thrown in this post unless one is so super sensitive and takes any opposing view specifically directed at his post as a personal attack.

[classicman]

How to respond to "baiting" in the Cellar:
1) ignore
2) respond with facts and not by whining to a moderator that someone is picking on you or with childish remarks about blowjobs.
3) respond with humor; some are better than others at this approach (you know who you are)
4) don't edit the posts of others; it makes you look foolish and unable to think for yourself

Since we're playing the semantics game ...

This is attached to every post you make - deliberately. That in itself is enough.

Originally Posted by classicman

Since we're playing the semantics game ...

This is attached to every post you make - deliberately. That in itself is enough.

You dont like my signature...too bad. Didnt you have a signature for quite a while directed at TW? You like to dish it out, but cant take it?

You over-reacted to the substance in my post in which there was no direct attack and no stones thrown and you responded with an ignorant and offensive remark about a BJ directed at another member...and then claim it was a joke? Bullshit.

You're not only super sensitive, as others have noted. IMO, you're a liar.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Was that necessary, Merc?