Faith... to what/whom?

[Tomas Rueda]

about the hebrew. (by the way, if there are any jewish people in this conversation, please help me out)

a word in hebrew can be equated to a picture, it's worth a 1000 images or ideas. anything related to that word could apply, (that's why we have masoteric texts)

here is an example I'm going to list the different meanings and ideas to a certain word in English and in Hebrew. the word is sword

English [list=1][*]a weapon (as a cutlass or a rapier) with a long blade used for cutting or thrusting often used as a symbol of authority.[/list=1]

Hebrew [list=1][*]a weapon[*]authority[*]a king[*]a battle[*]bloodshed[*]war[*]a merciless warrior[*]violence[*]etc, etc, etc.[/list=1]

if that is not enough, the hebrew people aplied a certain numerical value to each letter. Thus words were equated with numbers. words that had the same numerical value were believed to be interconected somehow.

[Tomas Rueda]

I was going to come up with the Idea of arranging the marriage between the alphabet and the numbers, but then I find that that idea was conceived by the hebrew 2 or 3 thousand years ago.

the same happened with an idea I had about a flexible, tubular device that could transpor light. comes up that someone else had that I idea already (Fiber Optics)

(Sigh)

[Torrere]

Hence the "Sacred Geometries" crap that bizarre religious people keep mentioning to me.

Girl: He's always talking about Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, but sometimes I want to talk about something else! Like, what if I want to talk about geometry?
Me: That's freaking awesome. You talked about geometry at the dinner table?
I spend the next half hour devising a geometry problem based on a sketch on a wall.
Girl: Oh, no, I meant Sacred Geometries.
Me: Mlargh!

[Tomas Rueda]

nope. Just because a shape is cool, it does not mean it has something to do with religion, let alone sacredness

How old is she???????

[Carbonated_Brains]

What the fuck?

[Tomas Rueda]

Yeah, Its even the most nonsensical nonsense of all the nonsensical nonsences of this nonsensical nonsence that we call Earth.

it's like. wow you created that square? c'mon, let's all worship it and ask for it to rain.

(chanting)
Oh, square. Oh square
Help us if you care
Give us some rain to spare
Oh, Square. Oh, Square

With your angles four
And your sides all straight
Give us some rain out of your tour
With all your power and might.

Oh, square, big square
You hold the cardinal points in place
North and west are there
East and South are a maze

... Yeah, That'll be the day...

Originally posted by smoothmoniker


Wow. Talk about presenting unsubstantiated opinions-as-fact.

Revelation (singular, not plural) is part of a genre of literature called Apocalyptic. It’s by no means limited to Judeo-Christian literature. The genius of John’s writing is that he picks up threads from Daniel, Isaiah, and Habakkuk and weaves them together into a compelling narrative.

How arrogant is it to assume that because something is nonsensical to us, it must be the ravings of a lunatic. Are you a 1st Century Diasporic Jew living in Asia Minor? How do you know what images and themes were coherent to his readers?

Revelation is a political commentary; the imagery that John uses was established by the writings of the late Babylonian era prophets. He doesn’t actually mean a 4 headed beast with 7 horns – he’s using that image in the same way Daniel used it, but he’s reapplying it to the Roman empire. His readers understood exactly what he was referencing.

-sm

Well, in case it slipped your notice, his readers today don't have the faintest idea. I think one is fairly safe in questioning the sanity of some religous nut who literally expects 7 horned beasts to be lurking behind every street corner. And there are plenty of people who think just that. Surely, you've noticed one or two of them on the streets of L.A. pontificating to themselves, or do you just order your driver to speed up and pull the shade on the window of your limo?

[Torrere]

She was 27. Her friend who was 18 thought I was cute (for making the geometry problem).

[smoothmoniker]

Originally posted by marichiko


Well, in case it slipped your notice, his readers today don't have the faintest idea. I think one is fairly safe in questioning the sanity of some religous nut who literally expects 7 horned beasts to be lurking behind every street corner. And there are plenty of people who think just that. Surely, you've noticed one or two of them on the streets of L.A. pontificating to themselves, or do you just order your driver to speed up and pull the shade on the window of your limo?

No arguments there. Some people take wild flying leaps with it. It just raises my hackles when people try to import a 21st Century western worldview to a 1st Century near eastern text, and then call it the ravings of a lunatic when it doesn't make sense to them.

The text does make a great deal of sense, and it's not even that difficult to track down John's imagery. It's literalism that kills it.

And my limo doesn't have shades. I'm a white male, so I just call our special direct number to the police, and have them clear the undesirables off the sidewalk before I drive down that route. No reason why I should have to obstruct my view of the city just because some guy chose to look disheveled that day. It's much easier on me this way.

-sm

[lookout123]

Originally posted by smoothmoniker

And my limo doesn't have shades. I'm a white male, so I just call our special direct number to the police, and have them clear the undesirables off the sidewalk before I drive down that route. No reason why I should have to obstruct my view of the city just because some guy chose to look disheveled that day. It's much easier on me this way.
-sm

dude get with it. i just hired a team of guys to walk in front of my motorcade. they beat the undesirables with nightsticks. every other block they carefully position one under my wheel - although i don't think that is completely necessary; it's really just kind of for fun.

oh, BTW, did you get your "white guy monthly check" yet? mine looked a little short so i think we may not have oppressed enough people last month.

Originally posted by smoothmoniker




And my limo doesn't have shades. I'm a white male, so I just call our special direct number to the police, and have them clear the undesirables off the sidewalk before I drive down that route. No reason why I should have to obstruct my view of the city just because some guy chose to look disheveled that day. It's much easier on me this way.

-sm

Nice reply! That really was most excellent. In the words of Ezra Pound, I salute "the greater master."

[smoothmoniker]

mari, i have this nagging feeling that if you and I met we would be friends. That bothers me a great deal, because it means that at some point, I'm going to have to ask you to forgive me for treating you as an abstraction, and saying hurtful and inaccurate things to you in other threads.

Just giving you fair warning.

-sm

Originally posted by smoothmoniker
mari, i have this nagging feeling that if you and I met we would be friends. That bothers me a great deal, because it means that at some point, I'm going to have to ask you to forgive me for treating you as an abstraction, and saying hurtful and inaccurate things to you in other threads.

Just giving you fair warning.

-sm

Hey, SM, its cool, man. You are not alone in the abstraction game. Its easy to do with someone when you happen to have a political disagreement with them. I've done it to you, too, now haven't I? Yeah, I bet if we met in real life we would probably appreciate one another as human beings, although I bet we'd have some heated political debates. You've got a great sense of humor and you're obviously well-educated, and I do appreciate that in an opponent. Of course, I'm still going to meet your conservative observations with my liberal replies, but what fun would it be if we all agreed on everything?

[Tomas Rueda]

WHY DID THIS THREAD BECAME A DATING PAVILLION????!!!!!
some of the replies that I read wer incoherent and nonsensical to me. can Anyone explain what has just happened?

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by Tomas Rueda
WHY DID THIS THREAD BECAME A DATING PAVILLION????!!!!!
some of the replies that I read wer incoherent and nonsensical to me. can Anyone explain what has just happened?

were they posted by tomas rueda? don't worry, you're not alone.


oh. nevermind