Obama--the grumblings

Originally Posted by Redux

LOL....Merc, you crack me up

First you complain that I was "sensationalizing a few bad apples at the top. Their rot did not always trickle down..."

So I showed you how it trickled down at DoJ wth five examples of improper and/or illegal conduct in the agency that is supposed to uphold and enforce the laws of the US.

I point to change in FOIA policies based on the respective memos and more openness and transparency with a new presumption of releasing information as opposed to previous policy of finding a legal justification not to release information.

And I point you back to the issue of IGs, who are responsible for providing impartial oversight and upholding the integrity of the agencies in the executive branch..and where 2/3 of Bush's appointments across the board in such agencies were political (and not qualified based on legal, audit or investigation experience) ignoring the standards identified in the law for the appointment of IGs...far more than Clinton.

Then you "sensationalize" by pointing out one guy's tax problems that has no bearing on his performance in office since he just took office.

Damn...denial ain't just a river in Africa...its alive in well in the Cellar.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Then you "sensationalize" by pointing out one guy's tax problems that has no bearing on his performance in office since he just took office.

What you approve of the double standards?

[TheMercenary]

Why are you quoting yourself?

I figured you might actually read it if I post it again....since you obviously chose to ignore facts you dont like

I like the new double standards....more opennesss and transparency of FOIA....less politicization of the appointment of IGs (so far), the new EO canceling Bush's interpretation of torture under US treaty obligations....transparency with the new website, recovery.gov, to track the spending from the stimulus bill.

And those are just the new standards in the first month.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I figured you might actually read it if I post it again....since you obviously chose to ignore facts you dont like

I like the new double standards....more opennesss and transparency of FOIA....les politicization of the appointment of IGs (so far)...

You like double standards! Figures.

You like to ignore the facts you don't like.

You mean those nasty wiretaps of American Citizens the Demoncratically controlled Congress approved!

Fact...the illegal wiretapping took place between 2003 and 2006.

Fact...the new FOIA policy is more open

Fact...the old torture policy is dead

What part of that dont you get?

Are you really this fucking ignorant?

[TheMercenary]

Fact.... The complaint was about eavesdropping on Americans, not how it was done or by whom.

Fact... The eavesdropping on Americans, that everyone complained about like they were having their first born child stolen from them, was eventually approved by the Demoncratically controlled Congress, almost identical in verbage as Bush wanted it. They sold out.

What part of that don't you get?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fact.... The complaint was about eavesdropping on Americans, not how it was done or by whom.

Fact... The eavesdropping on Americans, that everyone complained about like they were having their first born child stolen from them, was eventually approved by the Demoncratically controlled Congress, almost identical in verbage as Bush wanted it. They sold out.

What part of that don't you get?

Are you really that ignorant or do you just like coming off as obtuse?

Bush circumvented FISA and did it illegally and w/o FISA court oversight. Congress (Ds and Rs) corrected that illegal action by strengthening the last FISA bill they enacted so it wouldnt happen that way again.

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Merc...I ignored all the comments I read here about you being a flaming asshole and I tried.

I've concluded they were right.

I give up.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Are you really that ignorant or do you just like coming off as obtuse?

Bush circumvented FISA and did it illegally and w/o FISA court oversight. Congress (Ds and Rs) corrected that illegal action by strengthening the last FISA bill they enacted so it wouldnt happen that way again.

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Merc...I ignored all the comments I read here about you being a flaming asshole and I tried.

I've concluded they were right.

I give up.

So again, beause we disagree you call me a flaming asshole? You want me to see things from your perspective and get in a tizzy because I refuse so you resort to name calling? You fail to see the double standard well documented in the implementation of the eavesdropping on Americans that the left-wing nuts melted down about and yet you want to spin it as if it is something elsle. I guess I will put you on ignore with tw and the other psycho wackos.

Have at it. Live in your fantasy world.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I guess I will put you on ignore with tw and the other psycho wackos.

Please ignore me!

Thank you!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Please ignore me!

Thank you!

That is your only response? Wow. I expected more from you. I have even learned a thing or two from your posts. Pretty sad.

Quitter. :p

[TGRR]

This thread is now officially a fucking toolbox.

[TheMercenary]

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

All the ladies in town who think they're somebody would swooooooon over Boehner, the men just kiss his butt. Ugh.

ugh is right! yuckaroo! pfftt

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I think there's a difference between the demographics for a car manufacturer and a breakfast cereal. I can understand Kellogs point of view here. Lots of kiddies eat cornflakes and Phelps is a role model.

You don't want your kids sucking a pipe after their bowl of cornies do you?...well do you???

Actually, considering the munchies, maybe it was a bad decision to dump him. Instead, they could have come up with a new slogan. Something like, "For the times when you just have to eat something!"

yea, most people eat the cereal AFTER sucking the pipe! think of all the money they make off of potheads...