Rumors and Truth - Page 14

glatt · 10-30-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

This country was founded upon a belief in God.

This country was not founded on a belief in God. It was founded on a belief in Freedom from England. "No taxation without representation." There is no God in that sentiment. If you re-read that Declaration of Independence, it gives the list of all the reasons that this country was founded. It goes into quite some detail. It's mostly trade issues and taxes and stuff like that.

Perhaps you are thinking of the founding of some of the former colonies? They were founded on religion. But this country was not.

Pico and ME · 10-30-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Pico - The greatest country on earth WAS founded upon a belief in God. Like it or not, want it or not, think it silly if you like, but it was and that will always be a simple fact.

According to you, maybe, but you are wrong.

Undertoad · 10-30-2008, 09:19 AM

Founded on freedom of religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Undertoad · 10-30-2008, 09:21 AM

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"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

1796 Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously accepted by the Senate

Undertoad · 10-30-2008, 09:24 AM

http://www.borndigital.com/founders.htm

Catalyst · 10-30-2008, 11:21 AM

I 100% agree with Undertoad. Be sure to check out his site @
http://www.borndigital.com/founders.htm

classicman · 10-30-2008, 10:19 AM

Ok, I am wrong. as you were.

HungLikeJesus · 10-30-2008, 11:40 AM

This country was founded upon a belief in Santa Claus. It's a simple fact.

classicman · 10-30-2008, 11:52 AM

I thought it was a Wizard?

Catalyst · 10-30-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I thought it was a Wizard?

Actually, I believe that it was the flying spaghetti monster.

Clodfobble · 10-30-2008, 12:04 PM

Appointments to the Supreme Court (as President, obviouly as VP she would only be more of a general influence on policy.)

Shawnee123 · 10-30-2008, 12:25 PM

The quote was more of a general statement of the fact that I've experienced that a lot of people of "high moral fiber" think they should legislate so that others can benefit from the gloriousness of high moral fiber.

I think if she could wield such powers, she absolutely would, which is one of the reasons she's not for me. I'm a live and let live kind of person. For instance, I don't expect everyone to behave as I do: with class, dignity, and forgiveness. (I'm totally kidding there, yes.)

I wasn't implying that she could, though, just that she would if she could...live and let live is not the mantra I usually hear from the moral fiber-ites.

TheMercenary · 10-30-2008, 12:41 PM

I understand. But I just got to listen, due to my laziness to get up and change the channel away from the news, first McCain (live in some northern border state) and Obama (live in Fl) spew forth more promises than I have heard in the last month. They both promised everything. All vets, workers in shelters, and peace corps workers will get a free college education. WTF? Where, how, who is paying for that? HE CAN"T DO IT!!!! only Congress can.

Palin can't make law, if she stays VP, which she most likely would, she would enter and leave the stage as nothing more than a lady in waiting. Given the current make up of the Senate, she would most likely never even vote on a tie breaker. NONE of these people can change or effect or even vote on a change to the Constitution. The worst thing that could happen is McCain (Small type: Palin) might get to make another appointment to the SC. So what? You think Congress is going to let them overturn Roe v. Wade? This is all gobbly goop from them and their handlers and detractors to the masses who do not know how government works. Do any of you believe that special interest groups and corps and big business is suddenly going to lose interest in Washington and the Congress and just go away overnight in either a Obama or McCain presidency? Hell no, the only things that will change are the names, the process will continue.

tw · 10-30-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Palin can't make law, if she stays VP, which she most likely would, she would enter and leave the stage as nothing more than a lady in waiting.

Oh. All that wire tapping, torture, international kidmapping, Saddam's WMDs, and even (rumored) orders to shoot down airliners during 11 September, and "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter" ... VP Cheney did none of that. The VP has no power?

TheMercenary · 10-30-2008, 02:22 PM

It was the man behind the curtain.

10-30-2008, 10:19 AM	#7
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Ok, I am wrong. as you were. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-30-2008, 11:40 AM	#8
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	This country was founded upon a belief in Santa Claus. It's a simple fact. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-30-2008, 11:52 AM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I thought it was a Wizard? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-30-2008, 12:04 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Appointments to the Supreme Court (as President, obviouly as VP she would only be more of a general influence on policy.) __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-30-2008, 12:25 PM	#12
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	The quote was more of a general statement of the fact that I've experienced that a lot of people of "high moral fiber" think they should legislate so that others can benefit from the gloriousness of high moral fiber. I think if she could wield such powers, she absolutely would, which is one of the reasons she's not for me. I'm a live and let live kind of person. For instance, I don't expect everyone to behave as I do: with class, dignity, and forgiveness. (I'm totally kidding there, yes.) I wasn't implying that she could, though, just that she would if she could...live and let live is not the mantra I usually hear from the moral fiber-ites. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-30-2008, 09:19 AM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Founded on freedom of religion. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

10-30-2008, 09:24 AM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	http://www.borndigital.com/founders.htm

10-30-2008, 11:21 AM	#6
Catalyst Catalyst Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: I live in Grandview Missouri Posts: 2	I 100% agree with Undertoad. Be sure to check out his site @ http://www.borndigital.com/founders.htm

10-30-2008, 12:41 PM	#13
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I understand. But I just got to listen, due to my laziness to get up and change the channel away from the news, first McCain (live in some northern border state) and Obama (live in Fl) spew forth more promises than I have heard in the last month. They both promised everything. All vets, workers in shelters, and peace corps workers will get a free college education. WTF? Where, how, who is paying for that? HE CAN"T DO IT!!!! only Congress can. Palin can't make law, if she stays VP, which she most likely would, she would enter and leave the stage as nothing more than a lady in waiting. Given the current make up of the Senate, she would most likely never even vote on a tie breaker. NONE of these people can change or effect or even vote on a change to the Constitution. The worst thing that could happen is McCain (Small type: Palin) might get to make another appointment to the SC. So what? You think Congress is going to let them overturn Roe v. Wade? This is all gobbly goop from them and their handlers and detractors to the masses who do not know how government works. Do any of you believe that special interest groups and corps and big business is suddenly going to lose interest in Washington and the Congress and just go away overnight in either a Obama or McCain presidency? Hell no, the only things that will change are the names, the process will continue. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-30-2008, 02:22 PM	#15
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	It was the man behind the curtain. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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