If you outlaw guns, then only.... - Page 14

Aliantha · 10-25-2006, 11:36 PM

Forget it lumber. Just do what you want.

lumberjim · 10-25-2006, 11:51 PM

sorry about the redundant posts. when i posted the reply initially, it had me logged off, and i didn;t think it went through. then, when i re-did it, i found that they had both made it.

and i will do whatever i want. having said that, i have no desire to make rape jokes in the first place. just don't expect everyone to change who they are because of something bad that happened to you.

you probably think i'm a dick now. sigh.

Aliantha · 10-26-2006, 12:05 AM

No, that's not what I think lumber.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 08:45 AM

Of course not. He's a cock, not a dick.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-26-2006, 08:06 PM

After you.

Spexx, your responses and posts in all this demonstrate you are not rational on this topic. Hip deep in denial is a bad place to be if you don't want personal trouble with crocodiles.

A true, holistic approach to the troubles caused by evil behavior goes all the way up, legitimately, to countervailing violence. You do not possess a true, holistic approach.

Aliantha · 10-27-2006, 01:04 AM

God I wish people would read the whole post before they comment. I was talking about the sub topic which I've opened a different thread about in order to stop polluting this one with rubbish.

Quite obviously there have been women commenting on the issue of gun ownership during the course of this thread.

Hippikos · 10-27-2006, 04:10 AM

After all these gun-threads I still haven't seen one bit of proof that allowing civilians to carry concealed weapons makes the US a safer country. On the contrary...

I expect the usual suspects will use the widely critized junk-science of Lott and Mauser to proof that guns make the US a safer country. But the junk-science of these 2 people can be compared to a survey(*) in 1995 which suggests that 1,2 Mio US people have been in contact with aliens.

(*)A 1995 survey by NBC asked 1500 Americans "Have you personally ever been in contact with aliens from another planet or not?". Extrapolating the results (0.6%) to the entire US population would suggest that 1.2 million Americans have been in actual contact with aliens.

mrnoodle · 10-27-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos

After all these gun-threads I still haven't seen one bit of proof that allowing civilians to carry concealed weapons makes the US a safer country. On the contrary

When I was in Merced, CA, I was at the motel unloading my stuff. Because of the value of the items I was carrying in my vehicle, I carried a gun whenever transporting them. I took my suitcase up to the room, and when I returned, 2 guys approached my truck from different angles. One hopped over the fence by the pool and came from the rear, and the other was already peeking in the back windows when I came around the corner, so I don't know where he came from.

I'm normally pretty friendly to people when travelling, but these guys were up to no good. I said "how's it going" and started around to the passenger side to get the vehicle between me and them. They both moved to block me in, then suddenly they didn't seem interested in me at all. They took off running (literally) in 2 different directions. The reason? I had a Glock 21 on my hip that they apparently hadn't seen because of the stuff I was carrying in.

There was no cowboy music playing, I didn't feel like a tough guy nor did I feel overly freaked out or anything. I just went around to the desk and told the woman there that there were a couple of guys casing her customers. I dunno if she ever called the cops or not, or even if she understood me. I never saw the guys again, and the rest of the month went by without incident.

Did I "make the country a safer place" or "blahblahblah reduce crime blahblahblah"? No. But the presence of a weapon kept me from being a victim. And I don't care for people telling me that they don't think I should have that right. If other people are misusing their rights, take it up with them. I have nothing to do with it.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-27-2006, 08:05 PM

Absolutely. I you don't threaten me my guns will never be an issue.

Spexxvet · 10-28-2006, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

...Did I "make the country a safer place" or "blahblahblah reduce crime blahblahblah"? No. But the presence of a weapon kept me from being a victim. And I don't care for people telling me that they don't think I should have that right. If other people are misusing their rights, take it up with them. I have nothing to do with it.

The ultimate question is this:

If the two guys had persisted, and tried to take your stuff, would you have killed them? Is "stuff" worth more than the lives of those two guys?

MaggieL · 10-29-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Is "stuff" worth more than the lives of those two guys?

Yes.

What value do you place on the lives of thugs? Why?

Pangloss62 · 10-29-2006, 11:58 AM

Holy crap! 17 pages of argument and rancor about...GUNS! Imagine that. I think that speaks to the fanaticism of much of their owners (ok, and their opponents).

Since I started this thread, I think I can chime in now, 17 pages later.

Quote:

Indeed...and do take that animistic idea that objects can be implicitly evil (rather than people) with you.

In regards to the above quote from the ever-lovable Maggie, I don't think I ever stated or even implied (I'm confused by her use of the word "implicitly" regarding evil objects) that guns, or any object for that matter, were themselves evil. I don't even believe in the concept of evil anyway.

It's always about people. All one has to do is look at the magazine rack at any major supermarket and see how obsessive gun owners can be. What cracks me up is that most of the guns they obsess over are assualt weapons. Let's face it, guns make people feel and be powerful, but I don't think it's the power to stop genocide like one cellarite said. I doubt he's gonna take his guns to Darfur to stop that one. But he says he's got my pansy, non-gun-toting back in case a genocide happens here. Should I laugh or cry?

I would insert my "neutral" emoticon after that last sentence, but Flint said he was getting bummed out by my overuse of it, so I will defer to him because he's one of the more rational posters here in what can at times be a very muggy (perhaps maggie) cellar.

Griff · 10-28-2006, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

...and started around to the passenger side to get the vehicle between me and them. They both moved to block me in...

The way I read it, they were going to kick the shit out of noodle and take his gear. Would that have been the better outcome?

Spexxvet · 10-28-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

The way I read it, they were going to kick the shit out of noodle and take his gear. Would that have been the better outcome?

If Noodle walked/ran away, nobody gets beat up or shot dead. Is "gear" worth killing?

Griff · 10-28-2006, 09:00 AM

Was he going to be allowed to walk away and maybe contact authorities? Why let the criminals decide whether or not Noodle spends the rest of his days on a respirator? Noodle did not initiate force, but they chose to at a minimum intimidate and their further intentions were not clear, he had a moral obligation to respond.

10-25-2006, 11:36 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Forget it lumber. Just do what you want. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-25-2006, 11:51 PM	#2
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	sorry about the redundant posts. when i posted the reply initially, it had me logged off, and i didn;t think it went through. then, when i re-did it, i found that they had both made it. and i will do whatever i want. having said that, i have no desire to make rape jokes in the first place. just don't expect everyone to change who they are because of something bad that happened to you. you probably think i'm a dick now. sigh. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

10-26-2006, 12:05 AM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	No, that's not what I think lumber. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-26-2006, 08:45 AM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Of course not. He's a cock, not a dick. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 08:06 PM	#5
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	After you. Spexx, your responses and posts in all this demonstrate you are not rational on this topic. Hip deep in denial is a bad place to be if you don't want personal trouble with crocodiles. A true, holistic approach to the troubles caused by evil behavior goes all the way up, legitimately, to countervailing violence. You do not possess a true, holistic approach. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-27-2006, 01:04 AM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	God I wish people would read the whole post before they comment. I was talking about the sub topic which I've opened a different thread about in order to stop polluting this one with rubbish. Quite obviously there have been women commenting on the issue of gun ownership during the course of this thread. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-27-2006, 04:10 AM	#7
Hippikos Flocci Non Facio Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In The Line Of Fire Posts: 571	After all these gun-threads I still haven't seen one bit of proof that allowing civilians to carry concealed weapons makes the US a safer country. On the contrary... I expect the usual suspects will use the widely critized junk-science of Lott and Mauser to proof that guns make the US a safer country. But the junk-science of these 2 people can be compared to a survey() in 1995 which suggests that 1,2 Mio US people have been in contact with aliens. ()A 1995 survey by NBC asked 1500 Americans "Have you personally ever been in contact with aliens from another planet or not?". Extrapolating the results (0.6%) to the entire US population would suggest that 1.2 million Americans have been in actual contact with aliens. __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.

10-27-2006, 08:05 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Absolutely. I you don't threaten me my guns will never be an issue. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-28-2006, 09:00 AM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Was he going to be allowed to walk away and maybe contact authorities? Why let the criminals decide whether or not Noodle spends the rest of his days on a respirator? Noodle did not initiate force, but they chose to at a minimum intimidate and their further intentions were not clear, he had a moral obligation to respond. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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