Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon - Page 14

Tonchi · 02-23-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

you mean except for you, that is. i think pretty much everyone knew he was a troll. your putting it under the label of 'mind fuck' ( which is a corny term that is overused and underdescriptive) doesn't change it. i'm curious as to why you didn't express this opinion until after he was banned? is it a case of hindsight, or were you scared of him? i'm left with the taste of condescendingnessosity* in my mouth after reading your post. you practicing to be tw's apprentice?

Not scared of HIM, LJ, just totally disinterested in letting him get his rocks off by attacking ME to divert attention further from what he was doing here. In other words, this is not my forum. It is *yours*, and it is not my position to decide who you play with or how. Maybe some of you were having fun too, up to a point. I have most charactistically been a lurker, I prefer to drive around train wrecks and mass murders because I can learn more from watching how other people handle the situation than by getting bogged down in them myself. It makes no sense at all to argue with somebody whose only purpose is to disrupt and challenge the limits. I never thought he was a troll, just a jerk who was too twisted to control his impulses to fuck with your mind instead of have a productive exchange of views. If you think the term is corny, keep in mind that I got it from exactly those people I first observed playing it back in the '60s. It's a game that nobody is supposed to win except them, so DON'T PLAY.

So how do you figure I think I am the only one... etc.? I am not taking credit for anything, just expressing surprise that so many clear-thinking people with IQs and abilities so much greater than mine were willing to play his game for so long. Some people told him off or put him on their ignore list, but enough kept on playing to keep Dov happy until UT pulled the plug. That's what Dov's kind of person is good at, pulling the strings that keep us playing. As for any comparison with the great TW, jedi master of the rant, I am not worthy

But thanks for thinking of me.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2006, 05:03 PM

On occasion you get a newbie that will be obnoxious simply because that’s all they’ve seen on the net. You know what I’m talking about, there’s plenty of it out there.
If they are smart enough to see it draws a negative reaction and tone it down, they just might have something of value to contribute.

I’ll defer to the elder geeks and their experience in spotting bad apples. But, when the spaceship door opens and you blast away with a 12 gauge the minute they show, you might miss out on a wonderful anal probing.

tw · 02-23-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

think pretty much everyone knew he was a troll. your putting it under the label of 'mind fuck' ... doesn't change it. i'm curious as to why you didn't express this opinion until after he was banned? is it a case of hindsight, or were you scared of him?

Dov was not a problem to anyone if that person had enough wintin to appreciate him. Notice my one simple exchange with him.

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Isolationism
He defines the code as red but uses black letters. Now I understand.

UT understood. Although maybe he got the tense wrong. I was not going to be played. And yet I enjoyed watching him play on others.

Dov baits with illogic. No big deal. One simply ignores such illogic and looks beyond - to see his game. When asked to define what he was saying, he provided and I replied with more illogic. Fine. Just read what he posts and ignore those silly emotions that some here cannot suppress. He is (probably) young and flayling. Simply a person trying to learn to swim while still claiming he already knows how to swim. Did you find humor in that? I did.

Barak played a same game here on The Cellar, Mark I(?) He would make these wild claims about race relations, cite from his book, and hype so many here into a frenzy. The problem was not Barak so much as it was others who would be incited by Barak's mocking of 'you white boys'.

Those who were in The Cellar back then may recall when I joined the fray with a set of posts entitled "Hey Professor!" after Barak finally posted some numbers from his book. Guess what. After exposing those numbers as manipulated fraud - that any high school algebra student could have seen through - suddenly Barak disappearred. Completely stopped posting. Never heard another post from him.

Dov was just as intimidating. Appreciate what he really said and have no emotion. Then he is harmless. Yes he baited some. I found it totally amusing as I also found Barak amusing. Barak also said silly things that others got so incensed - for zero reasons. Especially - I think - Barak's repeated use of the phrase "you white boys". So entertaining to see nonsense from Barak and Dov AND to see others get so upset over what was intended to be nothing but nonsense.

Yes he talks in red; but posts in black. Did you appreciate what I was really posting? It was not just a response to Dov.

Undertoad · 02-23-2006, 07:27 AM

Great analysis Tonch. The amazing thing was that he pretty much admitted it a few times. Like that's part of the game too -- like a criminal who leaves clues on purpose.

glatt · 02-23-2006, 07:55 AM

I commented earlier above that if I were in charge, I probably wouldn't have banned Dov, even though I didn't like him. After reading recent comments, Dov has become a little clearer to me. It's also clear to me that it's a good thing I'm not in charge. I don't have the instincts for it.

As is pretty obvious to everyone by now, UT did the right thing to ban Dov.

Thanks again UT.

footfootfoot · 02-23-2006, 10:19 AM

I'm making this up as I go along but I doubt that someone's sexual orientation can be rewired. Despite fundies claims that it is as easy as accepting you know who as you saviour etc., I know plenty of gays that found jesus and that didn't change things a lick. (ahem)

I also know of a couple of cases where parents have tried reprogramming a la cult reformation with imaginably disasterous results.

Like I said, I'm no expert and I'm just spinning this out of whole cloth but I don't think leopards can change their spots no matter a) how much they may truly want to or b) how much they tell their parole board they truly want to.

But what do I know?

lumberjim · 02-23-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tonchi

So how do you figure I think I am the only one... etc.?

just the way you phrased what i quoted in red.

you're amazed we didn't catch on. kind of self explanitory

and....tw, i got you yet again.

tw · 02-23-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

you're amazed we didn't catch on. kind of self explanitory

If you had caught on, then you didn't and still don't care what dov had posted. His posts were totally irrelevant to one who understood. This being a Cliff Note version of my previous post.

Undertoad · 02-23-2006, 05:45 PM

All true tw. I think we proved, in Mark 1, that it was possible to show everyone that if they simply ignored such people, they would go away. One problem is, there are now more users. So A) there are so many more attention whores - they are now worldwide, and B) it's harder to educate everyone and motivate them around the common cause of a passive silent treatment.

lumberjim · 02-23-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

All true tw. I think we proved, in Mark 1, that it was possible to show everyone that if they simply ignored such people, they would go away. One problem is, there are now more users. So A) there are so many more attention whores - they are now worldwide, and B) it's harder to educate everyone and motivate them around the common cause of a passive silent treatment.

we need a code word.

tw · 02-23-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

we need a code word.

Those who remember him would appreciate why this code word would honor him accordingly. Barak. He was a most amusing character (to be contrasted with another most amusing character - Richard Feynman).

Additional note. I forgot Barak's first name. Searched for his book. Could only find a professor of same name who (I believe) is not him. Anyone remember who Barak (who had to be in the Philly area) is or where is book is found (or was it published by Vanity Press)?

Griff · 02-23-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

All true tw. I think we proved, in Mark 1, that it was possible to show everyone that if they simply ignored such people, they would go away. One problem is, there are now more users. So A) there are so many more attention whores - they are now worldwide, and B) it's harder to educate everyone and motivate them around the common cause of a passive silent treatment.

I'd rather the new users figure it out or try to convert the attention whores. Of course this comes from someone who anonymoused humbug. *shrug* I just don't want banning to become commonplace.

Kitsune · 02-23-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Of course this comes from someone who anonymoused humbug.

Oh, now we're sharing our alts?

If you show me yours I'll show you mine.

Griff · 02-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

Oh, now we're sharing our alts?

If you show me yours I'll show you mine.

That alt is already shared. When its funny its me. When its COCK that'd be Jimbo.

Griff · 02-23-2006, 08:14 PM

I still don't know who put lumber on the ignore list. That was amusing.

02-23-2006, 05:03 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	On occasion you get a newbie that will be obnoxious simply because that’s all they’ve seen on the net. You know what I’m talking about, there’s plenty of it out there. If they are smart enough to see it draws a negative reaction and tone it down, they just might have something of value to contribute. I’ll defer to the elder geeks and their experience in spotting bad apples. But, when the spaceship door opens and you blast away with a 12 gauge the minute they show, you might miss out on a wonderful anal probing. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-23-2006, 10:19 AM	#6
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I'm making this up as I go along but I doubt that someone's sexual orientation can be rewired. Despite fundies claims that it is as easy as accepting you know who as you saviour etc., I know plenty of gays that found jesus and that didn't change things a lick. (ahem) I also know of a couple of cases where parents have tried reprogramming a la cult reformation with imaginably disasterous results. Like I said, I'm no expert and I'm just spinning this out of whole cloth but I don't think leopards can change their spots no matter a) how much they may truly want to or b) how much they tell their parole board they truly want to. But what do I know? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

02-23-2006, 08:14 PM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I still don't know who put lumber on the ignore list. That was amusing. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

02-23-2006, 07:27 AM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Great analysis Tonch. The amazing thing was that he pretty much admitted it a few times. Like that's part of the game too -- like a criminal who leaves clues on purpose.

02-23-2006, 07:55 AM	#5
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I commented earlier above that if I were in charge, I probably wouldn't have banned Dov, even though I didn't like him. After reading recent comments, Dov has become a little clearer to me. It's also clear to me that it's a good thing I'm not in charge. I don't have the instincts for it. As is pretty obvious to everyone by now, UT did the right thing to ban Dov. Thanks again UT.

02-23-2006, 05:45 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	All true tw. I think we proved, in Mark 1, that it was possible to show everyone that if they simply ignored such people, they would go away. One problem is, there are now more users. So A) there are so many more attention whores - they are now worldwide, and B) it's harder to educate everyone and motivate them around the common cause of a passive silent treatment.

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