Interesting graphs and charts department - Page 131

xoxoxoBruce · 03-06-2019, 12:37 AM

Keep in mind this is not the national debt, this is the yearly deficit added to the debt.

Clodfobble · 03-05-2019, 10:35 AM

I'm curious to see how those maps would change depending on who happens to be President in a given year. My guess is that whichever party is out-of-power will be angrier, and anger leads to greater caricature and "othering."

I also find it interesting how many "most" and "least" counties are right next to each other, even far away from the obvious urban/suburban divides. Seems like a small change puts you at the other end of the sample.

Undertoad · 03-05-2019, 12:54 PM

The Atlantic piece suggests that is true; in the 2014 Pew survey, Republicans were less tolerant, and today Democrats are less tolerant.

There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).

Griff · 03-06-2019, 06:49 AM

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There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).

I think this is possible. The Dems have been a center right party cloaked in identity politics since Clinton. This seems to have gutted the Republicans of non-religious moderates and also gave left wingers nowhere to go. May you live in interesting times.

Undertoad · 03-07-2019, 07:01 AM

What are you afraid of?

slang · 03-07-2019, 08:12 AM

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What are you afraid of?

I'm nervous about these things. I don't trust them. Despite all "safe guards" we rarely truly understand what is really going on behind the scenes. Do you? I respectfully suggest that not you or anyone that isn't in their staff meetings doesn't.

BIGs. Big government, big tech, big medical, big anything. Big policy, big control, big legal.

Especially centralized BIGs.

I trust you as a friend far more than a corporation or government agency.

You don't have the power of those but I can trust you more.

Gravdigr · 03-07-2019, 09:54 AM

Trust no one.

slang · 03-07-2019, 10:20 AM

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Trust no one.

Do you really want to live in a world where you can't trust anybody not to tell everybody where the bodies are buried?

Gravdigr · 03-07-2019, 12:06 PM

I live in this world you describe. Want doesn't enter into it.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-07-2019, 01:01 PM

Don't forget to shovel the roof...

Undertoad · 03-07-2019, 04:15 PM

DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?

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I'm nervous about these things. I don't trust them.

I went through a long time where I didn't trust -- but after 25 years of that, I noticed that 100% of my fears never occurred. They were just conspiracy theories in my own mind. I dropped it all, and I am happier for it.

Back in the day - the late 80s/90s - we believed that if we got a supermarket club card, the supermarkets would collect our data and sell it to insurance companies, who would then apply that data to figure out who had/were going to have health issues, and raise our rates.

People were busy doing things like working out fake phone numbers and names and whatnot so they could keep using the club cards

Huge, almost viral fear. Problem is, it never happened. I have never even heard of anything bad happening with club card data. Not once, and I worked IT for a supermarket with club cards.

Now I'm past middle age and I do not recall ANY similar fear coming to fruition. Nothing has happened to me or anyone I know. I await evidence; I do not believe anything without evidence. Until then, my real data is on all my club cards; I gleefully use my real name on everything; and I do not engage in one moment of worry about it.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-07-2019, 04:34 PM

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DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?

Wasn't it DARPA projects that sparked the desire to hook the universities to electronically pass information and messages? If so, being the start of the internet DARPA should get some credit I suppose.

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I went through a long time where I didn't trust -- but after 25 years of that, I noticed that 100% of my fears never occurred.

So you're saying if it's going on it hasn't negatively affected you, that you're are aware of.

I figure if Google can profit from all the dirt they have on me good for them, small reward for providing me with Chrome, Gmail, Earth, and search.

Undertoad · 03-07-2019, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Wasn't it DARPA projects that sparked the desire to hook the universities to electronically pass information and messages? If so, being the start of the internet DARPA should get some credit I suppose.

They have zero involvement in Google, just like the guy who invented asphalt has zero involvement in my driveway.

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So you're saying if it's going on it hasn't negatively affected you, that you're are aware of.

Yes. And you? And the rest of us? Bring out your evidence, everyone, all the bad things that have happened. I would like to hear the very worst of it.

(And if you're not aware of it, how bad can it be?)

Flint · 03-07-2019, 06:11 PM

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(And if you're not aware of it, how bad can it be?)

The NSA's mass surveillance program seemed pretty bad. And pretty consistent with decades of privacy fears. Assuming equivalence (which there isn't) wouldn't you say the 'grocery store club card' anecdote and the 'government is spying on everybody' anecdote, "cancel" each other out*?

*that's not how it works, but if it did

Undertoad · 03-07-2019, 06:28 PM

It's a good example.

Examples do not have to "cancel each other out".

Would you say that the harm done to you by the NSA spying would be greater than, or less than, the harm done to you by worrying about the privacy of your information for 50 years? I do not know the extent of the NSA spying, other than to collect call data via the FISA courts.

(Aside: in my work in telephony, I have seen an awful lot of raw call data. It's super boring.)

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The Atlantic piece suggests that is true; in the 2014 Pew survey, Republicans were less tolerant, and today Democrats are less tolerant. There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What are you afraid of?

03-07-2019, 06:28 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's a good example. Examples do not have to "cancel each other out". Would you say that the harm done to you by the NSA spying would be greater than, or less than, the harm done to you by worrying about the privacy of your information for 50 years? I do not know the extent of the NSA spying, other than to collect call data via the FISA courts. (Aside: in my work in telephony, I have seen an awful lot of raw call data. It's super boring.)

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